Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Bellow]

True. And, do you not agree that a responsible government should use the powers it is given by parliament, to shape the public's behaviour?

A responsible society would need less governance. There's a raft of other things to do to reduce CO2 emissions eg, less consumerism, no flying, change of diet, minimising internet streaming, etc, etc that are at least as important as our mobility to live our lives productively and safely - but the only legislation in sight is removing the availability of ICE vehicles. I'm not seeing any voluntary changes in the other aspects - will you accept punitive sanctions against them? Is it possible even to win an election with such a mandate?

 

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[DrNick]

That model has never worked properly.

Hardly an argument against it though. Nothing wrong with the model, just its implementation, and its implementation can change.

 

[alabbasi]

here's a raft of other things to do to reduce CO2 emissions eg, less consumerism, no flying, change of diet, minimising internet streaming, etc, etc

The reality of it is that none of this will make a difference.

 

[davymead]

True. And, do you not agree that a responsible government should use the powers it is given by parliament, to shape the public's behaviour?

I can’t remember the last time we had a ‘government’ that was looked on by the general public as mildly capable of running a cake stall at a local Fete.
Furthermore, at this very moment their ‘shaping’ would seem to be extremely close to a dose of sizeable social unrest. Even if the general public believed that EV’s might have some credence, trying to administer any punitive measures to rid the masses of it’s cheap and readily available mode of transportation won’t win hearts, or souls.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

I disagree with your link. Weren't VW and others punished for their lies about emissions not so long ago

Specious argument.

 

[Red C220]

Imagine the length of the queue though, all those cars waiting for a 40min charge instead of a 5min fill up.

The thing is, by the time we get to 2030 there will likely be everyday affordable EV's with real world ranges of 600 miles plus (think Mercedes C class money) and I'd hazard a guess we'll be seeing the first specialist long range EV's with 1000 mile ranges. That then has a massive effect on the volume and speed of chargers required to a degree that they would effectively be less congested than a petrol station. It is evolution of technology.

 

[davymead]

The thing is, by the time we get to 2030 there will likely be everyday affordable EV's with real world ranges of 600 miles plus (think Mercedes C class money) and I'd hazard a guess we'll be seeing the first specialist long range EV's with 1000 mile ranges. That then has a massive effect on the volume and speed of chargers required to a degree that they would effectively be less congested than a petrol station. It is evolution of technology.

Impossible to predict, because base production cost is obviously reliant on sales, and with just 365,000 pure EV’s on the UK roads so far, and 34,000,000 vehicles in total, we’re nowhere near any sensible prediction of future pricing.

 

[ChipChop]

A responsible society would need less governance. There's a raft of other things to do to reduce CO2 emissions eg, less consumerism, no flying, change of diet, minimising internet streaming, etc, etc that are at least as important as our mobility to live our lives productively and safely - but the only legislation in sight is removing the availability of ICE vehicles. I'm not seeing any voluntary changes in the other aspects - will you accept punitive sanctions against them? Is it possible even to win an election with such a mandate?

 

[Tonye]

Lamp post chargers, hu. There's many area's where they are turned off between 12 midnight and 5 am, is that because the local council can't aford the lecy or is there not enough lecy to turn them on. Whats the point of them in the first place if there not lit. Im going for the latter, not enough eco power available and you want to charge yer car.

 

[Tonye]

its implementation can change.

Not in my lifetime, and probably not in anybodies on this forum

 

[markjay]

Furthermore, at this very moment their ‘shaping’ would seem to be extremely close to a dose of sizeable social unrest. Even if the general public believed that EV’s might have some credence, trying to administer any punitive measures to rid the masses of it’s cheap and readily available mode of transportation won’t win hearts, or souls.

With the majority of the adult male population in the UK being smokers at one point of time, You'd have thought that they won't respond kindly to the government trying to administer any punitive measures to rid the masses of its cheap and readily available habit. And yet, worked it did:

So punitive taxation to shape behaviour does work. And I am not aware of any government losing an election due to smokers' revolt.

From:

Part 3: Affordability and expenditure on tobacco - NHS England Digital

Statistics on Smoking

digital.nhs.uk

https://ash.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/SmokingStatistics.pdf

 

[Fununcle]

Lamp post chargers, hu. There's many area's where they are turned off between 12 midnight and 5 am, is that because the local council can't aford the lecy or is there not enough lecy to turn them on. Whats the point of them in the first place if there not lit. Im going for the latter, not enough eco power available and you want to charge yer car.

Then you would be wrong.

 

[markjay]

A responsible society would need less governance. There's a raft of other things to do to reduce CO2 emissions eg, less consumerism, no flying, change of diet, minimising internet streaming, etc, etc that are at least as important as our mobility to live our lives productively and safely - but the only legislation in sight is removing the availability of ICE vehicles. I'm not seeing any voluntary changes in the other aspects - will you accept punitive sanctions against them? Is it possible even to win an election with such a mandate?

Actually, I do not disagree.

But as you may have noticed from my previous posts... I am primarily concerned about air quality in city centres.

This is the elephant in any room full of ICE-lovers.

 

[markjay]

Lamp post chargers, hu. There's many area's where they are turned off between 12 midnight and 5 am, is that because the local council can't aford the lecy or is there not enough lecy to turn them on. Whats the point of them in the first place if there not lit. Im going for the latter, not enough eco power available and you want to charge yer car.

The lamppost chargers in my street do work during daytime, i.e. even when the lights are switched-off.

The Council pays for the electricity consumed by the light bulbs, but they don't pay for the electricity used by the lamppost chargers (Shell pays for this), so I don't see why they would care that they are there and ready for use 24/7.

But now that you raised it, I wonder if the Council is getting paid for allowing Shell to install Chargers in its lampposts? It would be interesting to know more about the commercial arrangements in place.

 

[davymead]

With the majority of the adult male population in the UK being smokers at one point of time, You'd have thought that they won't respond kindly to the government trying to administer any punitive measures to rid the masses of its cheap and readily available habit. And yet, worked it did:

So punitive taxation to shape behaviour does work. And I am not aware of any government losing an election due to smokers' revolt.

From:

Part 3: Affordability and expenditure on tobacco - NHS England Digital

Statistics on Smoking

digital.nhs.uk

https://ash.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/SmokingStatistics.pdf

Hardly the closest comparison.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

 

[markjay]

Hardly the closest comparison.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

The argument against passive smoking is very similar to the argument against use of ICE cars in populated areas, I think.

 

[Darrell]

The thing is, by the time we get to 2030 there will likely be everyday affordable EV's with real world ranges of 600 miles plus (think Mercedes C class money) and I'd hazard a guess we'll be seeing the first specialist long range EV's with 1000 mile ranges. That then has a massive effect on the volume and speed of chargers required to a degree that they would effectively be less congested than a petrol station. It is evolution of technology.

If they get cheaper and do more miles I’d seriously consider buying one.

 

[markjay]

If they get cheaper and do more miles I’d seriously consider buying one.

That's the current trend. In a year or two they'll get there.

 

[Darrell]

That's the current trend. In a year or two they'll get there.

I can’t really work out why people knock them.

Going from A to B is all a car is to me now.