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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

Tonye said:
£1,240 + cooling, ouch.
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How much would it cost to replace a head gasket on your car? or to have a major service including spark plugs, ATF, air/fuel filters etc? (An EV needs none of these btw..)
 
markjay said:
That's from Honest John in The Telegraph:
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This doesn't seem right.... second-hand ones go on eBay for between £1,100 and £1,800.
 
My plan is to hold onto my 2017 W222 for as long as possible! It still looks and drives like a dream. If diesel becomes ridiculously expensive, then that would probably push me over the edge.
 
Not at all, all my cars are old and require a service, as do EVs. Please dont tell me its cheaper to service an EV. I can get a replacement engine and box for the SL or the Jag for less than a grand and service either for £350 ish. May be you won't need a new battery as the car will probably have rotted away before then.
 
Tonye said:
Not at all, all my cars are old and require a service, as do EVs. Please dont tell me its cheaper to service an EV. I can get a replacement engine and box for the SL or the Jag for less than a grand and service either for £350 ish. May be you won't need a new battery as the car will probably have rotted away before then.
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EVs don’t need any routine servicing
 
Tonye said:
Not at all, all my cars are old and require a service, as do EVs. Please dont tell me its cheaper to service an EV. I can get a replacement engine and box for the SL or the Jag for less than a grand and service either for £350 ish. May be you won't need a new battery as the car will probably have rotted away before then.
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Servicing and repairs are two different things.

There's very very little to service on an EV. Even the brakes don't need replacing (and on most EVs will never get replaced).

Repairs are expensive because with 400-800v live, DIY or a back street garage are not an option.

On the plus side, Kia comes with 7 years warranty, Hyundai with 5. The battery has 8 years warranty. After that, repairs will be expensive, I don't see people mucking about with them DIY with these type of currents running in the car.
 
markjay said:
Servicing and repairs are two different things.

There's very very little to service on an EV. Even the brakes don't need replacing (and on most EVs will never get replaced).

Repairs are expensive because with 400-800v live, DIY or a back street garage are not an option.

On the plus side, Kia comes with 7 years warranty, Hyundai with 5. The battery has 8 years warranty. After that, repairs will be expensive, I don't see people mucking about with them DIY with these type of currents running in the car.
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Also, as the warranties come to an end there is increased demand for specialists to start offering battery refurbishment (replacing the faulty cells etc..)… so the costs of battery related repairs will drop via these establishments.
 
I have also made the point that other than the cost of the battery itself, the direct cost of manufacturing an EV is much lower than ICE cars, since EVs have no engine, no automatic transmission, and no emissions control systems. But this point is academic right now, because until car manufacturers recoup the massive R&D investment in EV technology, EVs will remain expensive to buy new.
 
Ok I'll give you the lack of service requirements, what about the crazy depreciation. My SL is on the up and the Jag was worth didly squat a couple of year ago, now thats on the up. To sum up, over the last 15 years i have spent a total of 9k for 2 cars plus services, i think i am quids in and will soon get my money back minus inflation.
 
Tonye said:
Ok I'll give you the lack of service requirements, what about the crazy depreciation. My SL is on the up and the Jag was worth didly squat a couple of year ago, now thats on the up. To sum up, over the last 15 years i have spent a total of 9k for 2 cars plus services, i think i am quids in and will soon get my money back minus inflation.
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I can't say, my EV is on a business lease so I only know how much it will cost me each month (and how much it will cost me in total), but I have no idea how much will the finance company get for it when they auction it at the end of the lease.
 
Time and tech with battery life will give you the numbers. I'm 64 soon so well set in my ways and life style, the only EV i will ever get will fold into my car boot.
 
Tonye said:
Ok I'll give you the lack of service requirements, what about the crazy depreciation. My SL is on the up and the Jag was worth didly squat a couple of year ago, now thats on the up. To sum up, over the last 15 years i have spent a total of 9k for 2 cars plus services, i think i am quids in and will soon get my money back minus inflation.
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The depreciation issue is one with any new car though :)

Used prices now are crazy high though!
 
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It’s 3 years old but makes some interesting comparisons.
Just to kick things off again.

And someone said that volcanoes were significant for emissions? Data I found says they are responsible for 0.03% of annual emissions.
 
Tonye said:
Ok I'll give you the lack of service requirements, what about the crazy depreciation. My SL is on the up and the Jag was worth didly squat a couple of year ago, now thats on the up. To sum up, over the last 15 years i have spent a total of 9k for 2 cars plus services, i think i am quids in and will soon get my money back minus inflation.
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That’s not an ICE versus EV argument though, that’s an older car versus a newer car argument.

Newer cars tend to depreciate more quickly, whereas older cars tend to depreciate more slowly.

Eventually older cars start to appreciate, especially when helped by an upturn in used car values across the whole market.

In fact newer cars - including EVs - have temporarily appreciated even more than older cars in absolute terms.
 
I just worked-out that I'll be paying an amount equal on average to 15% of the car's RRP for every year of lease, but this obviously includes whatever interest that applies to the EV lease.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
That’s not an ICE versus EV argument though, that’s an older car versus a newer car argument.
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Not many old EVs to compare with, but i can get a new ICE car for less than 12k, and i would own it.
 
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