Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Tonye]

We simply need to have less cars, and drive them less.

We have 2, the Jag does around 3k a year and is cheaper and more convenient than a taxi. The SL is my toy and daily, it is used extensively in France in the summer and was purchased for that purpose, both old, both will last for many years so we won't in any way add to the overcrowding on our roads. Why people are obsessed with new is beyond me but its their choice.

 

[davymead]

There are some, here, who would have us believe charging points on lamposts are part of a solution. Some prominence was made of Siemens converting lamposts on Sutherland Street, Maida Vale at negligible cost and less than an hour per post to covert.

Great stuff! Look closer and discover that there are a total of 24 lamposts over half a mile! Look around - any street has far fewer lamposts along its length than you may expect, particularly following conversion to LED.

In Edinburgh, and no doubt elsewhere, many residential areas - Stockbridge, Learmonth, and Comely Bank - the lamposts are situated along the back of the pavement, i.e. not along the kerb. That stymies lampost charging!

Whilst vast numbers of English and Welsh live in sprawling areas of Victorian/Edwardian terraced housing, Scottish urban housing of that period is predominately tenement. Not to be confused with the low standards of a typical two up, two down, the areas mentioned above are much sought after, yet still comprise four to six flats per stair up to four storeys.

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By my reckoning, this typical posh Edinburgh street would have eight lampost chargers serving at least 96 homes - after shifting them to the pavement's edge.

Multiply this up and down the country...

Next great idea, please...

Quite, and exactly my point. SO many streets in London the same, a huge amount with no on street parking whatsoever.

 

[whitenemesis]

Everyone is very quiet about Hydrogen, for some reason... TfL for example have 500 electric busses and just under 20 Hydrogen busses.

I reckon the reason is virtually total lack of refuelling stations? Only 14 in the UK and most are for commercial vehicles.
I've seen transporters full of buses/cars going into Honda to be refuelled.
BTW the Honda based refuelling station is completely self contained in that it uses a local solar farm to power the production of hydrogen.

 

[whitenemesis]

We simply need to have less cars, and drive them less. That's all.

It not the number of cars owned but the miles travelled that matters

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Apparently there are around 40m cars in the UK, and half a million caravans. So just over 1% of motorists tow a caravan. Can we not find a solution for this small group? Perhaps they should be exempt from ICE punitive measures until EV tech catches-up. And I don't see a risk of this becoming a loophole, I.e. how many people will actually buy a caravan for no other reason than to pay less VED on their ICE cars or to be exempt from congestion charging etc? Unlikely.

Why should caravan owners get special treatment? Should we expend that to pensioners & less affluent peopel who may not be able to afford the cost of going electric.......etc.............It’s a Pandora’s Box.

 

[markjay]

It not the number of cars owned but the miles travelled that matters

It's both - don't forget that some of the discussion in this thread evolved around the avaliablilty of public parking bays in cities.

But obviously for those living in areas with low population density, parking (and the number of cars per household) isn't an issue.

 

[DrNick]

WEET ZEVs 22

Next steps for Zero Emission Vehicles in the UK

www.westminsterforumprojects.co.uk

One of the upcoming conferences where the great and the good will actually shape policy. You can get access for £65 I think. The titles of the presentations give clues as to the direction of travel.

 

[Tonye]

Has anyone looked at a globe lately, we are a thumb nail, as if we, or Europe for that matter are going to make a jot of a difference in the big scheme of things.

 

[whitenemesis]

WEET ZEVs 22

Next steps for Zero Emission Vehicles in the UK

www.westminsterforumprojects.co.uk

One of the upcoming conferences where the great and the good will actually shape policy. You can get access for £65 I think. The titles of the presentations give clues as to the direction of travel.

And the timings the depth in which they will be discussed...

 

[DrNick]

It’s only one of a regular series…

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Any news on Hydrogen, i think we've knocked the crap out of electric

If you think EV related infrastructure is somewhat lacking then you’re not going to like Hydrogen fuelled vehicles…

 

[Fununcle]

Honestly we get it, you don't want an electric car and think they are a bit sh##.
Don't get one then.

Has anyone looked at a globe lately, we are a thumb nail, as if we, or Europe for that matter are going to make a jot of a difference in the big scheme of things.

We get it, you are going to do nothing and think we as a country should do nothing. That's an opinion, we get it so can you do nothing quietly?

 

[Flyinspanner]

Won’t we all be on hoverboards by then?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Has anyone looked at a globe lately, we are a thumb nail, as if we, or Europe for that matter are going to make a jot of a difference in the big scheme of things.

If all countries take the same stance then what? Just like people in groups, someone has to lead if something is to be achieved, and the same is true of countries in a global context. If nobody takes the lead then it either doesn’t happen or happens sub-optimally.

If I was in a situation where a real person needed help, and there were plenty of other people standing by and watching - waiting for somebody else to step forward - then I couldn’t look at myself in the mirror if I did the same, and just stood by and watched.

I’m not the kind of person who can stand by and just watch. We’re all different though. Vive la difference.

 

[markjay]

Won’t we all be on hoverboards by then?

They are prone to catching fire.

Sometimes you just can't win........

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Honestly we get it, you don't want an electric car and think they are a bit sh##.
Don't get one then.

We get it, you are going to do nothing and think we as a country should do nothing. That's an opinion, we get it so can you do nothing quietly?

+1

The topic of EVs is unusual in that those opposed to it are so vocal despite there being no apparent trigger.

 

[clk320x]

I’m enjoying my electric vehicle costing peanuts to drive around but more importantly the mind-boggling torque

Sorry irrelevant I know

 

[Flyinspanner]

They are prone to catching fire.

Sometimes you just can't win........

I don’t remember Marty McFly having an issue

(not the ones with wheels )

 

[markjay]

+1

The topic of EVs is unusual in that those opposed to it are so vocal despite there being no apparent trigger.

I said before that I have a feeling that some of those opposing EVs in general are in fact simply (and often rightly) concerned about the negative impact that EVs will have on them in their particular circumstances. And, they don't believe that the authorities will take any notice of their plight in the rush to rid our roads of ICE cars. Which in turn leads them to objecting to EVs in general even when for many other people EVs make perfect sense.

 

[clk320x]

I said before that I have a feeling that some of those opposing EVs in general are in fact simply (and often rightly) concerned about the negative impact that EVs will have on them in their particular circumstances. And, they don't believe that the authorities will take any notice of their plight in the rush to rid our roads of ICE cars. Which in turn leads to them objecting to EVs in general even when for many other people EVs make perfect sense.

That and they simply don’t like ‘change’.