Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Darrell]

Hand on heart, how many journeys longer than the range of an EV would someone realistically do in a year? For most people the answer is relatively few. A short wait to top up the battery - or fully recharge on very very long journeys - is a small price to pay.

My wife and I drive a lot, covering lots of miles in lots of cars. but very very rarely cover more than around 200 miles in one day. Only when we go on a road trip into Europe would we do more which either requires a different car, or acceptance that recharging several times will be required.

When driving very long distances - say 1000 miles - we’ll usually stop in a hotel room for a few hours sleep and a shower, and every 2-4 hours depending upon traffic, fuel levels, meal times, etc. An EV of a similar type to the ICE cars we’d use for the journey would be fine if used like that.

My sister got a new EQC in the summer but didn’t have the nerve to use the French charging points in the motorway service stations while visiting our Mum in La Rochelle.

They flew over instead and hired a diesel car!!

 

[Darrell]

The 7 mile stretch of road from work to my old home village is an absolute nightmare to drive. There are houses on both sides of the road virtully non stop , and as most of them were built pre 1950 there is no provision for a driveway let alone a garage , so everybody has to park on the road. How on earth are people going to be able to charge their EVs, will they have to run the cable across the footway,what plans are there to install charging points in the kerbline ? What happens on Sunday morning when you realise that the singing you heard last night was the drunk diconnecting all the charging cables as he staggered home and dumping them all over the nearest bridge.

I think the governments answer to this would be to think out the box a little and use some forward thinking and common sense.

My wife asks the same questions as you.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

The 7 mile stretch of road from work to my old home village is an absolute nightmare to drive. There are houses on both sides of the road virtully non stop , and as most of them were built pre 1950 there is no provision for a driveway let alone a garage , so everybody has to park on the road. How on earth are people going to be able to charge their EVs, will they have to run the cable across the footway,what plans are there to install charging points in the kerbline ? What happens on Sunday morning when you realise that the singing you heard last night was the drunk diconnecting all the charging cables as he staggered home and dumping them all over the nearest bridge.

Maybe people who live in places where drunks roam the streets and there is no private parking should get the bus?

 

[Swotty]

The 7 mile stretch of road from work to my old home village is an absolute nightmare to drive. There are houses on both sides of the road virtully non stop , and as most of them were built pre 1950 there is no provision for a driveway let alone a garage , so everybody has to park on the road. How on earth are people going to be able to charge their EVs, will they have to run the cable across the footway,what plans are there to install charging points in the kerbline ? What happens on Sunday morning when you realise that the singing you heard last night was the drunk diconnecting all the charging cables as he staggered home and dumping them all over the nearest bridge.

Seen the latest drip-drip from the Govt and the part of the WEF's Fourth Industrial Revolution? Personal car ownership is meant to be a thing of the past.

 

[Ted]

Im very sure you need to run the a/c compressor.
PS, that runs off the engine

@Tonye

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[MikeInWimbledon]

I'll be getting rather close to 80 in 2030 so I might well need an EV , open top version and capable of being folded into the boot of the ICE car that I bought in 2029.

Brand new Phev’s will be sold until 2035, and it’s likely that deadline will slide…..

 

[Scooby_Doo]

Maybe people who live in places where drunks roam the streets and there is no private parking should get the bus?

Would that be the bus that goes past once every hour and doesn't run after 9.00pm and doesn't run at all on Sundays ?

 

[Fununcle]

Would that be the bus that goes past once every hour and doesn't run after 9.00pm and doesn't run at all on Sundays ?

Yes

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Would that be the bus that goes past once every hour and doesn't run after 9.00pm and doesn't run at all on Sundays ?

Beggars can't be choosers?

Firm but fair.

 

[Scooby_Doo]

I think the governments answer to this would be to think out the box a little and use some forward thinking and common sense.

My wife asks the same questions as you.

You didn't answer her either ?

 

[whitenemesis]

Im very sure you need to run the a/c compressor.
PS, that runs off the engine

No, the a/c compressor is driven electrically as is everything bar the oil pump. When the ICE isn't running the car behaves just like a true EV but with a very short range...

 

[Dryce]

Hand on heart, how many journeys longer than the range of an EV would someone realistically do in a year? For most people the answer is relatively few. A short wait to top up the battery - or fully recharge on very very long journeys - is a small price to pay.

People have different usage patterns.

Plenty of cars - particularly in urban and suburban areas - sit idle a lot of the time and when htey do move make relatively short journeys.

But that doesn't tell the whole story. My car does about 10K a year. 5K is long journeys (200 miles one way / 500 mile roundtrips). 5K commuting (40 miles). I do another 15-20K miles a year in work supplied hire cars where the journey distances are up to 360 miles one way and over a week 1000 miles.

That 5K longer trip personal mileage is typically to the north of Scotland.

So my dilemma - an EV suits around 15% to 20% of my mileage at best. A PHEV fits well with the short mileage but typically comes with less range (higher consumption and smaller fuel tank - and likely non-diesel) than and a non hybrid ICE at higher cost. A diesel saloon or estate is the best overall fit.

I have relatives in rural areas who are running split between an EV car for close range ('around the village and local area') and an ICE for wider range and versatility,

And I think a lot of families could work that split - but again the EVs at the moment don't necessarily make sense - with the 'nice' ones being large and heavy and expensive and the 'cheap and nasty' ones not being that cheap or nice compared with the equivalent ICE in the market.

We're told EVs are simpler and should be cheaper - so how is it that Dacia can sell a perfectly functional cheap ICE for a fraction of the price of an poxier EV - despite the EV subsidies and supposed simplicity?

Suppose the market offered a Fiesta equivalent EV that was the same price as a Fiesta and no less nice (don't laugh - but I think the Fiesta is a nice package). In theory hat EV would cost say about £14500 with subsidy and might be quite attractive compared with its ICE - and we'd see a high proportion households with two or more cars switching their second vehicles to this category of car. The subsidy probably wouldn't be necessary.

Except it doesn't really exist.

Instead we have company directors and managers getting Taycans and Teslas through their companies.

 

[Tonye]

When the ICE isn't running the car behaves just like a true EV but with a very short range...

Apologies, thought you were taking about an ICE only vehicle not a Hybrid

 

[Tonye]

EV car for close range ('around the village and local area') and an ICE for wider range and versatility,

So thats the answer to saving the planet, 2 lumps of iron on the driveway.
Until there's charge points as often and as quick as a garage forecourt it won't work.
There's moves in the trucking industry to go electric, can't see how they can change when they are working 24/7 as my truck often does.

 

[Dryce]

So thats the answer to saving the planet, 2 lumps of iron on the driveway.

Well it's a step - as opposed to the current situation where many households are looking at EVs and proably backing off committing.

What we need in the market are small nice value EVs. These seem to have been lost as a sector while the manufacturers chase the more up market sectors where buyers have more discretionary money to spend and more opportunity to gain from tax breaks.

 

[Tonye]

What we need in the market are small nice value EVs.

Well said that man , will they listen, NO.
Money Money Money is all that the world wide motoring manufacturers are interested in, if they don't invest in EV development and bring down the cost they will fall in the wayside and average jo will carry on in his old ICE car. Greed is the only obstacle.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Yes, of course EVs can run the AC when stationary: to my mind it's a key benefit of them. This summer in the brief heatwave we were staying with friends and it was delightful to step into their Tesla to go out, with the car already cooled and fresh. There's also a dog mode:
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Wow modern problems solved. Let’s tick our Eco credentials box and then waste electricity cooling the car before we get into it.

How did we ever cope in the days before A/C in cars.... I remember because I still do it..... we opened the windows and waited a few minutes.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Wow modern problems solved. Let’s tick our Eco credentials box and then waste electricity cooling the car before we get into it.

How did we ever cope in the days before A/C in cars.... I remember because I still do it..... we opened the windows and waited a few minutes.

How primitive.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

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When driving very long distances - say 1000 miles - we’ll usually stop in a hotel room for a few hours sleep and a shower, and every 2-4 hours depending upon traffic, fuel levels, meal times, etc. An EV of a similar type to the ICE cars we’d use for the journey would be fine if used like that.

I hate the motorway services and the thought of having to wait (let's be honest about charging) probably an hour at one while my car charges...... no thanks. The unwashed masses, filthy facilities and the over priced rubbish food at MW services.... - nah!

Then you have the stress of arriving at a hotel and hoping that there will be a charging bay vacant & that some selfish person hasn’t
left their car there for the night. I have enough stress worrying where I’ll park the SL.

I usually try to take the scenic route (so less charging points?) and prefer to eat at places that sell fresh food that is not full of preservatives & not have to sit at dirty sticky tables. Like you (on longer trips) we usually don't travel much more that 2 to 300 miles in a day & always try to make the journey part of the holiday.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

I hate the motorway services and the thought of having to wait (let's be honest about charging) probably an hour at one while my car charges...... no thanks. The unwashed masses, filthy facilities and the over priced rubbish food at MW services.... - nah!

Then you have the stress of arriving at a hotel and hoping that there will be a charging bay vacant & that some selfish person hasn’t
left their car there for the night. I have enough stress worrying where I’ll park the SL.

I usually try to take the scenic route (so less charging points?) and prefer to eat at places that sell fresh food that is not full of preservatives & not have to sit at dirty sticky tables. Like you (on longer trips) we usually don't travel much more that 2 to 300 miles in a day & always try to make the journey part of the holiday.

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