Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[chic0821]

I was speaking with my builder yesterday & we got round to electric cars (as you do). He was driving from Scotland to Liverpool last week & pulled into one of the services (can't remember what one). Anyway there were 6 charging stations, all full, & 8 cars sitting in a queue waiting their turn to get plugged in. Not for me, I would rather stick needles in my eyes. The infrastructure is not there. Government never think anything through, just a wet finger guess for a vote catching headline. The only thing I would consider buying is a petrol plug in hybrid, but think I will stick to petrol only

 

[Diesel Benz]

And for the cost of a few amps, you can have a warm/defrosted car waiting for you, even if you’ve only got to do three miles down the road.

Heating up an ICE car with an AUX heater is not much different (and does not consume a lot of fuel) but EVs can also be cooled at summer, ICE cars cannot run the AC compressor when stationary.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Heating up an ICE car with an AUX heater is not much different (and does not consume a lot of fuel) but EVs can also be cooled at summer, ICE cars cannot run the AC compressor when stationary.

Are you sure?

 

[Scooby_Doo]

I'll be getting rather close to 80 in 2030 so I might well need an EV , open top version and capable of being folded into the boot of the ICE car that I bought in 2029.

 

[grober]

We are all aware of the current range limitations of EV and the inadequacy of the charging infrastructure throughout country. This makes EV long-distance travel a bit of a lottery at the moment. But if you buy an EV with these limitations in mind and home charging facilities you should have no problem. EV detractors, of whom there are many on this forum , constantly focus on what EV cannot do as opposed to what they can . It's a bit like saying my mate who owns a Lamborghini/McLaren/Ferrari says he's never going to buy another one--- can't get the wife, two kids and the dog into it to go to Tesco's for the weekend shop----hopeless design. The phrase horses for courses comes to mind.

 

[Skd884]

Another pro-EV observation....

A cold engine start, followed by a short drive, is a catastrophic event for the engine in terms of wear, and not a great one for the environment either. And quite a few cars will have this type of usage profile, l.e. low annual mileage and mostly short journeys. This is precisely where an EV would excel. An electric motor works just fine from cold, and short journeys are not a problem. Ideal for city dwellers... and for anyone with mechanical sympathy.

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[Bobby Dazzler]

Hand on heart, how many journeys longer than the range of an EV would someone realistically do in a year? For most people the answer is relatively few. A short wait to top up the battery - or fully recharge on very very long journeys - is a small price to pay.

My wife and I drive a lot, covering lots of miles in lots of cars. but very very rarely cover more than around 200 miles in one day. Only when we go on a road trip into Europe would we do more which either requires a different car, or acceptance that recharging several times will be required.

When driving very long distances - say 1000 miles - we’ll usually stop in a hotel room for a few hours sleep and a shower, and every 2-4 hours depending upon traffic, fuel levels, meal times, etc. An EV of a similar type to the ICE cars we’d use for the journey would be fine if used like that.

 

[chic0821]

my mate who owns a Lamborghini/McLaren/Ferrari says he's never going to buy another one--- can't get the wife, two kids and the dog into it to go to Tesco's for the weekend shop

Your mate seems pretty wealthy with 3 supercars. Thought he would have someone to go to Tesco for him
Joking aside, going back just over 100 years we would be the people with the horse & buggy slagging off the new fangled invention which had an engine running on petrol. Not enough petrol stations on the motorway (oh, motorways have not been invented yet) but our horse & cart could just keep going. Nothing changes
EV, let's block the roads

 

[Deleted member 126251]

... and for anyone with mechanical sympathy.

Most people these days do not care. A car is rapidly becoming a disposable device that is merely to get them from A to B . Volvo is even offering a car subscription.

 

[SW18]

Heating up an ICE car with an AUX heater is not much different (and does not consume a lot of fuel) but EVs can also be cooled at summer, ICE cars cannot run the AC compressor when stationary.

Are you sure?

Yes, of course EVs can run the AC when stationary: to my mind it's a key benefit of them. This summer in the brief heatwave we were staying with friends and it was delightful to step into their Tesla to go out, with the car already cooled and fresh. There's also a dog mode:

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Most people these days do not care. A car is rapidly becoming a disposable device that is merely to get them from A to B . Volvo is even offering a car subscription.

And it's bloody expensive.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Yes, of course EVs can run the AC when stationary: to my mind it's a key benefit of them. This summer in the brief heatwave we were staying with friends and it was delightful to step into their Tesla to go out, with the car already cooled and fresh. There's also a dog mode:
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Did you miss my bold highlight?

 

[whitenemesis]

ICE cars can run the a/c compressor when stationary, just not when stationary and the engine off....

 

[G7Wagen]

I remember a few years ago the Gov of the day advocating everyone buy a diesel engine car because it used less fuel...now its oh no... don't do that buy an electric car instead....
I hired a Lexus hybrid recently as a treat for my father... it was awful.. gutless and a real disappointment... then I got into my SL55AMG and just starting the engine put a smile on my face... for most car enthusiasts... the whine of an electric engine will never replace the throb of a V8... so like the 'Millennium bug' I think 2030 will pass by relatively unnoticed.... and the value of ICE cars will rise... as will the road tax on EV's

 

[Bellow]

Your mate seems pretty wealthy with 3 supercars. Thought he would have someone to go to Tesco for him
Joking aside, going back just over 100 years we would be the people with the horse & buggy slagging off the new fangled invention which had an engine running on petrol. Not enough petrol stations on the motorway (oh, motorways have not been invented yet) but our horse & cart could just keep going. Nothing changes
EV, let's block the roads

100 years ago people walked to and from their place of work - in minutes. A lot has changed.

 

[Dippo]

Over the Bank Holiday week-end at the end of May this year I drove from London to Chester. At every single service station on the M40, M5 and M6 there were cars queueing to get into the service station - and all they probably wanted was a comfort break and maybe a coffee. Imagine if they all wanted to charge their cars as well. I suppose the response from EV fans will be that we only have x number of Bank Holidays a year, and that you shouldn't travel on them.

 

[Ted]

fwiw, I’m pretty sure that both mine and @whitenemesis’ cars can run the aircon while the ice isn’t running.

 

[Tonye]

fwiw, I’m pretty sure that both mine and @whitenemesis’ cars can run the aircon while the ice isn’t running.

Im very sure you need to run the a/c compressor.
PS, that runs off the engine

 

[Red C220]

Hand on heart, how many journeys longer than the range of an EV would someone realistically do in a year? For most people the answer is relatively few. A short wait to top up the battery - or fully recharge on very very long journeys - is a small price to pay.

My wife and I drive a lot, covering lots of miles in lots of cars. but very very rarely cover more than around 200 miles in one day. Only when we go on a road trip into Europe would we do more which either requires a different car, or acceptance that recharging several times will be required.

When driving very long distances - say 1000 miles - we’ll usually stop in a hotel room for a few hours sleep and a shower, and every 2-4 hours depending upon traffic, fuel levels, meal times, etc. An EV of a similar type to the ICE cars we’d use for the journey would be fine if used like that.

This is the current reality. ^

I was anti EV, not something I'd ever be interested in, however I'm now converted because I genuinely thought about what type of motoring I do.

I have the luxury of having both EV and ICE and it's excellent.

The infrastructure is currently a problem if you're a long distance driver and I understand that completely. But as the infrastructure expands the battery technology also progressess. We're not far from 400-500 mile battery ranges, which means less requirement to charge, which means more capacity for those that do need to charge. It's an every decreasing problem.

Where will we be by 2030? I wouldn't be surprised if they'd figured out how to give 800-1000 mile range by then, or at least be not far off it at the current rate of progress. When that does occur, ICE vehciles are going to start to look like a poor choice or "enthusiast" only weekend toy.

It's a change of mindset.

What you also need to understand (if you have home charging) is there's no need to "fill" right up to 100% if you're running low. You just stop and add whatever you need to get you to your next charge destination that suits your schedule. I was running low in the Mazda one day not far from home, stopped in the garage, plugged it in - went for a pee by the time I got back in the car it had added 15 miles and that was enough to get me home. Total cost was under £2. I then charge to full at home.

So as a dinosaur that thought I'd never bother with it, I have now lived with EV and ICE for about 2 months and realised you simply think of them as different solutions for different problems. It makes an awful lot more sense that way.

 

[Scooby_Doo]

The 7 mile stretch of road from work to my old home village is an absolute nightmare to drive. There are houses on both sides of the road virtully non stop , and as most of them were built pre 1950 there is no provision for a driveway let alone a garage , so everybody has to park on the road. How on earth are people going to be able to charge their EVs, will they have to run the cable across the footway,what plans are there to install charging points in the kerbline ? What happens on Sunday morning when you realise that the singing you heard last night was the drunk diconnecting all the charging cables as he staggered home and dumping them all over the nearest bridge.