Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Bellow]

So, how many days a week do you drive more than 300 miles in a day?

If you're offering to buy me an EV that has both the carrying capacity I need and the range - PM me please and we'll sort out the details. Because otherwise, such a vehicle is way beyond my budget.

That's to say, far enough to use up the charge that you would put into your car between ending one day and starting another?

Two consecutive days is the test. And that is easily possible.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Answer the question for yourself. At some point this evening, drive to any car park with an EV charger and sit there for an hour. While you're there, compile a list of all the things you could be doing and would rather be doing. At least I've actually given you something to do while there. Don't you value your time?

This is exactly the failure to understand how EV's are actually being used.

People aren't driving out to charging stations to charge up vehicles for hours.

Look around you. Owners with home chargers avoid external charging as much as possible. Poor folk in flats and terraced houses use local lamp posts and chargers on their street, while the car is parked up, as it always is. And the millions who work in offices and businesses with parking are charging at work, shops, bars and restaurants, while the vehicle is parked up and the owner has much better things to do than sit around.

 

[Bellow]

This is exactly the failure to understand how EV's are actually being used.

People aren't driving out to charging stations to charge up vehicles for hours.

Look around you. Owners with home chargers avoid external charging as much as possible. Poor folk in flats and terraced houses use local lamp posts and chargers on their street, while the car is parked up, as it always is. And the millions who work in offices and businesses with parking are charging at work, shops, bars and restaurants, while the vehicle is parked up and the owner has much better things to do than sit around.

For anyone (many) who can't charge at home, at work, or on the street - hanging about in public car parks is all that is available. One step up from hanging around on street corners.

I could repeat it - but I doubt that it will be any clearer to you. Spend time with it some evening - in some carpark...

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

If you're offering to buy me an EV that has both the carrying capacity I need and the range - PM me please and we'll sort out the details. Because otherwise, such a vehicle is way beyond my budget.

Then object to EV's on the basis that they typically cost about 37% more than the ICE equivalent, that you don't get an enormous tax bung for running an EV, and that there aren't enough older, depreciated ones around. All fair points.

Don't object to them because they take hours and hours to charge up in the middle of your working day. Because they don't.

I'm more of an EV sceptic than you are - for many more reasons - but it's daft to suggest that most people don't have the time to plug in an EV. It's simply not true. It's just a matter of learning to plug it in. Just like your phone.

 

[Bellow]

Then object to EV's on the basis that they typically cost about 37% more than the ICE equivalent, that you don't get an enormous tax bung for running an EV, and that there aren't enough older, depreciated ones around. All fair points.

And there's all of that too. But why would I even look if any other aspect isn't going to work?

Don't object to them because they take hours and hours to charge up in the middle of your working day. Because they don't.

I'm more of an EV sceptic than you are - for many more reasons - but it's daft to suggest that most people don't have the time to plug in an EV. It's simply not true. It's just a matter of learning to plug it in. Just like your phone.

Only charging at home or, at a pinch, on a street charger very close to home is viable for what I'm referring to. Without a home charger the nearest public charger is 2 miles away (on the periphery of the village) and it is at a Shell filling station with zero amenities. Sitting there every evening replenishing for several hundred miles of driving the following day - nah, not happening.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I could repeat it - but I doubt that it will be any clearer to you. Spend time with it this evening - in some carpark...

Specific answer. If I had an EV, it would be parked on my driveway, with a cable into the wall, so that each day I could drive 300 miles. (£12 to do 300 miles)

If I didn't have a driveway, I would have topped it up in town this morning, when I went to the shops & library. 20 minutes would have done it.

If I needed more, I've got six chargeable chargers in my housing development. All less than 5 minutes walk away.

10 minutes and there's another half dozen.

There's no sitting in cars, waiting, except by people who are doing work admin and sipping coffee while their motor gets charged.

Meanwhile, down in town, great herds of people are sat in coffee shops and pubs, and they don't have vehicles charging.

MrsMiW does 1800 miles a year in our second car. If it were an EV, she'd need to charge it once every eight weeks, but I would probably end up putting the cable in it overnight once a month. Time spent charging an EV isn't the issue.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

And there's all of that too. But why would I even look if any other aspect isn't going to work?

Only charging at home or, at a pinch, on a street charger very close to home is viable for what I'm referring to. Without a home charger the nearest public charger is 2 miles away (on the periphery of the village) and it is at a Shell filling station with zero amenities. Sitting there every evening replenishing for several hundred miles of driving the following day - nah, not happening.

So, are you saying that you, personally, can't install a home charger? To fuel an EV at 4p a mile?

And are you doing "several hundred miles" every day?

 

[KillerHERTZ]

Just got back last week from a 1200 mile trip to the Nurburgring via France, Belgium, Netherlands and of course Germany. During the entire time I maybe saw, 10 Electric vehicles if that?

Sure, I wasnt driving within cities, however it just shows how its being adopted in Europe compared to us.

 

[Bellow]

Specific answer. If I had an EV, it would be parked on my driveway, with a cable into the wall, so that each day I could drive 300 miles. (£12 to do 300 miles)

If I didn't have a driveway, I would have topped it up in town this morning, when I went to the shops & library. 20 minutes would have done it.

If I needed more, I've got six chargeable chargers in my housing development. All less than 5 minutes walk away.

10 minutes and there's another half dozen.

There's no sitting in cars, waiting, except by people who are doing work admin and sipping coffee while their motor gets charged.

Meanwhile, down in town, great herds of people are sat in coffee shops and pubs, and they don't have vehicles charging.

MrsMiW does 1800 miles a year in our second car. If it were an EV, she'd need to charge it once every eight weeks, but I would probably end up putting the cable in it overnight once a month. Time spent charging an EV isn't the issue.

Lucky you! And retired too!
The rest of us have different situations Different to yours and to each other. One missing link and a chain is useless.

 

[Darrell]

Just got back last week from a 1200 mile trip to the Nurburgring via France, Belgium, Netherlands and of course Germany. During the entire time I maybe saw, 10 Electric vehicles if that?

Sure, I wasnt driving within cities, however it just shows how its being adopted in Europe compared to us.

Do they still love their diesels??

 

[Bellow]

So, are you saying that you, personally, can't install a home charger? To fuel an EV at 4p a mile?

I rent - I don't know if I'd be granted permission to install a charger. And, the lease is going to expire (unrenewably) at some undefined time soon so why would I be installing one only to leave it behind?

And are you doing "several hundred miles" every day?

Not every day but frequently successive days (the nature of a supplying business).

Enough of me - the point is that to make EV work over the course of a working day (ie, actually using it) requires all the ducks to be in a row and for many that isn't possible.

 

[davymead]

Enough of me - the point is that to make EV work over the course of a working day (ie, actually using it) requires all the ducks to be in a row and for many that isn't possible.

Possibly why they’re not selling in epic numbers.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Lucky you! And retired too!
The rest of us have different situations Different to yours and to each other. One missing link and a chain is useless.

You asked twice what my situation is, and I replied.
No different than to when I was up at 6am to get the 7am tube into town to be at a desk before 8, and back around 7.30pm. Less than 5,000 miles a year, so I would have needed to charge the car once every three weeks.

There are far more serious reasons why not to get an EV yet, but time to charge really isn't one of them.

You can wail all you like but you voted for politicians in the EU and in the UK to bring in EV's to address the CO2 crisis and climate change. You get what you asked for.

 

[Darrell]

This is where I live.

Not sure where the chargers can go because if they’re fitted on the outside of the house a lead will have to be run over to where the cars are parked.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I rent - I don't know if I'd be granted permission to install a charger. And, the lease is going to expire (unrenewably) at some undefined time soon so why would I be installing one only to leave it behind?

Not every day but frequently successive days (the nature of a supplying business).

Enough of me - the point is that to make EV work over the course of a working day (ie, actually using it) requires all the ducks to be in a row and for many that isn't possible.

For sure, which is why you need to be in a diesel. Point remains that for the vast majority it is possible, and it is a significant financial saving, and it doesn't take any time to charge.

Wailing that you always have to be ready to drive to Lands End and back in a day, and that you don't want to spend weeks at a charging station waiting for your EV to reach 80% simply doesn't make sense.

Push it back and say "look, an EV doesn't make sense for me, just get them into the hands of those for whom it does make sense." Their CO2 saving is the easy win.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

This is where I live.

Not sure where the chargers can go because if they’re fitted on the outside of the house a lead will have to be run over to where the cars are parked.View attachment 146549

Is one of those things with the white doors yours?

But surely you don't use a vehicle daily anyway?

 

[Darrell]

Is one of those things with the white doors yours?

But surely you don't use a vehicle daily anyway?

No, one of those things with the white doors isn’t mine and me and my daughter use our vehicles on a daily basis.
Wife does about 15 miles a week or 30 if she works on a Saturday.

 

[Bellow]

You asked twice what my situation is, and I replied.

Did I? I don't recall that but you're free to cite your case regardless.

No different than to when I was up at 6am to get the 7am tube into town to be at a desk before 8, and back around 7.30pm. Less than 5,000 miles a year, so I would have needed to charge the car once every three weeks.

Your choice and obviously rewarding. However, I don't think you are going to get the public to rise an hour earlier when they never had to before.

There are far more serious reasons why not to get an EV yet, but time to charge really isn't one of them.

When other things are vying for time it most certainly is. How do you feel about a fire appliance or ambulance stopping for a quick top-up en route to an emergency? Extreme case admittedly but the principal is the same. Less extreme - a community nurse or care worker. How much time during the day can they spare? NB - it is day to working I'm referring to - not retirees and holidaymakers.

You can wail all you like but you voted for politicians in the EU and in the UK to bring in EV's to address the CO2 crisis and climate change. You get what you asked for.

A gentle soul if you regard me as wailing.... but one without any idea as to what I've voted for or not voted for and, I reject your premise that EVs address the 'climate crisis'.

 

[markjay]

That's my local Aldi shop (in Edgware Road), it has three 50kW chargers, and both the parking and the electricity are free for all (for all EVs, that is):

 

[Bellow]

For sure, which is why you need to be in a diesel.

Nope. Big repair bills without warning is exactly what I don't need.

Point remains that for the vast majority it is possible, and it is a significant financial saving, and it doesn't take any time to charge.

Then why aren't they buying EVs?

Wailing that you always have to be ready to drive to Lands End and back in a day, and that you don't want to spend weeks at a charging station waiting for your EV to reach 80% simply doesn't make sense.

Spurious.
But you could go and cost the EV that does all that I need and you propose - and realise that not all businesses can afford that.

Push it back and say "look, an EV doesn't make sense for me,

I have - but I'm tired now.

just get them into the hands of those for whom it does make sense."

But they ain't biting. Or maybe they have and those that haven't haven't because they don't make sense for them.

Their CO2 saving is the easy win.

Disputable.