Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Tonye]

Enjoy.

Thanks, i will

 

[Tonye]

If those cars will work

They do very well. My point was they have for a long time and will keep on going without the need to be replaced at the cost of yet more production

 

[Tonye]

Back to the original question, my strategy is until they come up with a 500mile range with a 10 min fill up where ever i am, I'm cruising with the old SL.

 

[clk320x]

I go to France regularly, 700 miles each way. Not many fast chargers on the ferry.

No but there’s superchargers at Dover, Calais & throughout France

 

[Dryce]

I go to France regularly, 700 miles each way. Not many fast chargers on the ferry.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

The ferry would basically be using its engines / generators to burn fuel and convert to electricity to then charge the car - and so increase the ferry's emissions during the passage.

 

[clk320x]

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

The ferry would basically be using its engines / generators to burn fuel and convert to electricity to then charge the car - and so increase the ferry's emissions during the passage.

Could it possibly work on the Eurotunnel? No idea tbh.. again not really necessary anyway

 

[Tonye]

I go Portsmouth- Caen. When i get there I'm on holiday for months with the roof off cruising around not worrying about charge points or saving the world . I reckon I've done my bit by never owning a new car in my life and I'm not ever going to. When the big economy countries of the world give a toss i might go used EV, until then I'm in the SL till it dies or i do.

 

[alabbasi]

Of which 12,000 are EV's

So at your suggested roll out rate, there's one charger per EV car in a years time.

If you're going to throw numbers out in a tantrum to try and justify your perspective it's probably sensible to make sure the numbers are at least relevant to your argument.

Yeah but they want to ban all ICE engines by 2030 which means they need to get 104 years worth of work done in 8. It's a bit ambitous if you ask me. Even for a goverment known for being on time and under budget

 

[Dickster]

Your mate seems pretty wealthy with 3 supercars. Thought he would have someone to go to Tesco for him
Joking aside, going back just over 100 years we would be the people with the horse & buggy slagging off the new fangled invention which had an engine running on petrol. Not enough petrol stations on the motorway (oh, motorways have not been invented yet) but our horse & cart could just keep going. Nothing changes
EV, let's block the roads

That’s not the same is it? We started with very few cars so didn’t need the petrol stations. Nor the m/ways.

 

[Dickster]

Seen the latest drip-drip from the Govt and the part of the WEF's Fourth Industrial Revolution? Personal car ownership is meant to be a thing of the past.

Bloody tree huggers are taking over

 

[Dickster]

I’m not anti EV, I’m anti the legislation. I will however be leasing an EV sometime soon, purely for tax reasons and they suit my situation. There will of course always be an ICE in the family.

They have to get a grip on charging. All charge points have to be available to everyone and plugs etc standardised. That should be legislated. You don’t go to a petrol station hoping they sell petrol for your type of car.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I go to France regularly, 700 miles each way. Not many fast chargers on the ferry.

To be fair there weren’t many petrol or diesel pumps on the ferry last time I travelled on one.

 

[Red C220]

Yeah but they want to ban all ICE engines by 2030 which means they need to get 104 years worth of work done in 8. It's a bit ambitous if you ask me. Even for a goverment known for being on time and under budget

No they are not banning all ICE engines by 2030, they are simply aiming not to sell any new ones. The millions of existing ICE cars simply won't dissapear overnight there will be a phasing from ICE to EV which is currently the aim. The idea that the entire infrastructure has to be up running and absolutely complete in 2030 for every household to run an EV is nonsence.

Also remember that as battery technology advances, which it is doing rapidly there will come a point at which EV ranges are so large they start to make ICE vehicles look inappropriate. The range increases also reduces charging requirement capacity and therefore the charging infrastructure would not have to grow at the same rate as present.

Fundamentally you don't require 2.5 million EV charges for 2.5 million EV vehicles in the same way you don't require 2.5 million petrol pumps for 2.5 million ICE vehicles. It's just not logic. They aren't all plugged in at the same time as ICE cars aren't all filling with fuel at the same time.

 

[Red C220]

I’m not anti EV, I’m anti the legislation. I will however be leasing an EV sometime soon, purely for tax reasons and they suit my situation. There will of course always be an ICE in the family.

They have to get a grip on charging. All charge points have to be available to everyone and plugs etc standardised. That should be legislated. You don’t go to a petrol station hoping they sell petrol for your type of car.

There are currently two types of chargers, Telsa and everything else. With Tesla soon opening up to everything else. That's it.

 

[Dickster]

I get that, but with the ban on new ICE they will need to ramp up charger installation, as there will likely be a massive increase in EV take up.

I’m also sceptical of an advancement in battery tech and range of EVs. Mobile telephones have benefited from new tech, but battery life is still crap.

 

[markjay]

Point taken, never had an EV , but can you unplug it the other end without a key ? Nothing worse than a flat battery in the morning.
I've nothing against EVs , I haven't seen a model that actually appeals to me , I only cover about 6000 miles a year and rarely more than a 100 mile journey so an EV would suit my needs.

On the public chargers that I have used, the charger port locks the cable in place until the cable is unlocked on the car's side.

So both ends of the cable are locked into their respective ports, and can not be unplugged until the car's side is unlocked with the fob.

This is managed by a communication protocol, i.e. the car and the charger carry-out an electronic handshake and exchange information via the charging cable.

In theory, vandals could still cut the cable using a pair of large wire-cutters with isolated handles, but I am not aware that this is actually happening - there are many public chargers in my street with EVs routinely plugged into them overnight unattended, and I've yet to see a vandalised cable.

With regards home chargers, I don't have one myself, but I would assume that the cable is similarly locked on both ends, for safety reason, because unplugging a live high voltage plug can cause arcing, which is obviously a potential safety issue.

(And, incidentally, I believe that in the UK you are supposed to switch-off the wall socket before plugging or unplugging electrical equipment, though not everyone adheres to that)

 

[Wolfie1]

I hate the motorway services and the thought of having to wait (let's be honest about charging) probably an hour at one while my car charges...... no thanks. The unwashed masses, filthy facilities and the over priced rubbish food at MW services.... - nah!

Then you have the stress of arriving at a hotel and hoping that there will be a charging bay vacant & that some selfish person hasn’t
left their car there for the night. I have enough stress worrying where I’ll park the SL.

I usually try to take the scenic route (so less charging points?) and prefer to eat at places that sell fresh food that is not full of preservatives & not have to sit at dirty sticky tables. Like you (on longer trips) we usually don't travel much more that 2 to 300 miles in a day & always try to make the journey part of the holiday.

Thats a fair point, you go for a weekend away at a hotel with your electric car, now i would imagine you guys are like us when you arrive at the hotel, park your car and go grab a drink or 2 at the bar once you check in, so you plug in your electric car to charge, have a few drinks then in say 2 hours you go and move your car off the charger as the app alerts you its full so as other folks can use it and then you get done for drink driving! What a great weekend away! Be as well staying home if thats the case!

 

[markjay]

I get that, but with the ban on new ICE they will need to ramp up charger installation, as there will likely be a massive increase in EV take up.

I’m also sceptical of an advancement in battery tech and range of EVs. Mobile telephones have benefited from new tech, but battery life is still crap.

Where I live, the Council (Westminster in London) installed chargers inside each and every lamppost (Google 'Shell Ubitricity '). I have covered this before.

This works very well, with EVs being charged while parked in the street overnight, and at current there are more than enough lampposts.

But there are a few potential issues with this solution.

The first is the obvious issue of capacity. I am not referring to the grid power delivery, because at 5.5kW per lamppost this isn't going to cause any major issues in urban areas. But ultimately, the number of households per lamppost in densely-populated areas might become an issue. This is both because of the anticipated growth in EV ownership, and because at current the early adopters are probably those who use their cars predominantly for short local journeys, which where EVs trump over ICE, and so need only charge their EVs every other week or so. However, when those who travel long-distances on a regular basis will join-in, they might need to charge their EVs two or three times a week, which can cause issues with lamppost chargers' availability.

Then, this is not a subsidised service, instead it is run by Shell as a commercial enterprise, so it will only work if the figures stack-up. At current, they are selling the electricity at roughly double that of home electricity, and half that of a fast public charger. But if this price does not raise sufficient revenue to cover the R&D and installation costs and generate a profit, then it may not be viable to roll out this solution to other cities in the UK.

 

[Wolfie1]

There are currently two types of chargers, Telsa and everything else. With Tesla soon opening up to everything else. That's it.

There must be 3, as at work we have 2 different types of plugs for charging vehicles and then tesla have their own

 

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