Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Red C220]

The 7 mile stretch of road from work to my old home village is an absolute nightmare to drive. There are houses on both sides of the road virtully non stop , and as most of them were built pre 1950 there is no provision for a driveway let alone a garage , so everybody has to park on the road. How on earth are people going to be able to charge their EVs, will they have to run the cable across the footway,what plans are there to install charging points in the kerbline ? What happens on Sunday morning when you realise that the singing you heard last night was the drunk diconnecting all the charging cables as he staggered home and dumping them all over the nearest bridge.

You can't pull a cable out of an EV mid charge without unlocking the car with the keyfob.

Even the two cars I've used which both have keyless entry, when they were unlocked you still need to physically press the unlock button to be able to remove the charge cable. I know this as it took me about 20 minutes to figure out how to get the cable out of the thing the first time I charged it.

Otherwise what's to stop people pulling up at occupied charge points, pulling the cable out of your car and charging theirs?

So much of the angst and agenda against EV's is creating scenarios that simply don't even exist.

 

[Dryce]

I usually try to take the scenic route (so less charging points?) and prefer to eat at places that sell fresh food that is not full of preservatives & not have to sit at dirty sticky tables. Like you (on longer trips) we usually don't travel much more that 2 to 300 miles in a day & always try to make the journey part of the holiday.

I like taking scenic routes too - attempting to fit in othe activities and optimising mileage (eg. 50 mile detour of a 350 mile journey to visit people or location off route rather than making a special journey).

But.

That's all good and well when time is available. And it may well be for a proportion of leisure trips. In terms of travelling for work or where time is of the essence then meandering from A to B isn't an option.

When I'm travelling on business or for time constrained social events involving other people the usual objective is to get from A to B in a time that is brief and reliable. The journey in itself is simply a means to an end. The hours spent on the road for those making frequent non-leisure journeys clock up significantly on a per-month or per-annum basis.

I suspect that 'always try to make the journey part of the holiday' is an option for those who (a) don't make journeys often or (b) don't actually need to make the journey or in my case (c) on;ly on the small proportion of journeys where it is viable.

 

[Dryce]

How did we ever cope in the days before A/C in cars.... I remember because I still do it..... we opened the windows and waited a few minutes.

And non of those electric windows - proper wind down ones - and no tints.

And of course for that extra touch of heat sensation .... black vinyl seats.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

I suspect that 'always try to make the journey part of the holiday' is an option for those who (a) don't make journeys often or (b) don't actually need to make the journey or in my case (c) on;ly on the small proportion of journeys where it is viable.

I’ve never really had to travel (by car) for my job - so fortunate there, always preferred road trips & sightseeing to lying on a sun-lounger - tick, and now retired and have all the time I need & a lovely car to do it in.

However I get your point - folk have different needs.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

And non of those electric windows - proper wind down ones - and no tints.

And of course for that extra touch of heat sensation .... black vinyl seats.

Black vinyl seats in winter - lovely because they weren’t heated (another way to waste electricity in winter with an EV - preheat the car).

In summer - ouch but in this country how often do we see the sun & only really a problem if you’re wearing shorts.

 

[alabbasi]

Hand on heart, how many journeys longer than the range of an EV would someone realistically do in a year?

How many times has someone got in their car to head to work and realized that they needed to stop by the petrol station and fill up? If you drive past a petrol station at 8AM, it's usually pretty busy. Imagine how busy it would be if every car needed 45 mins to 1 hr for a fill up?

 

[Deleted member 126251]

How many times has someone got in their car to head to work and realized that they needed to stop by the petrol station and fill up? If you drive past a petrol station at 8AM, it's usually pretty busy. Imagine how busy it would be if every car needed 45 mins to 1 hr for a fill up?

Incompetence rules.......

 

[Deleted member 159894]

How many times has someone got in their car to head to work and realized that they needed to stop by the petrol station and fill up? If you drive past a petrol station at 8AM, it's usually pretty busy. Imagine how busy it would be if every car needed 45 mins to 1 hr for a fill up?

That could always recharge overnight at home.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

People have different usage patterns.

Plenty of cars - particularly in urban and suburban areas - sit idle a lot of the time and when htey do move make relatively short journeys.

But that doesn't tell the whole story. My car does about 10K a year. 5K is long journeys (200 miles one way / 500 mile roundtrips). 5K commuting (40 miles). I do another 15-20K miles a year in work supplied hire cars where the journey distances are up to 360 miles one way and over a week 1000 miles.

That 5K longer trip personal mileage is typically to the north of Scotland.

So my dilemma - an EV suits around 15% to 20% of my mileage at best. A PHEV fits well with the short mileage but typically comes with less range (higher consumption and smaller fuel tank - and likely non-diesel) than and a non hybrid ICE at higher cost. A diesel saloon or estate is the best overall fit.

I have relatives in rural areas who are running split between an EV car for close range ('around the village and local area') and an ICE for wider range and versatility,

And I think a lot of families could work that split - but again the EVs at the moment don't necessarily make sense - with the 'nice' ones being large and heavy and expensive and the 'cheap and nasty' ones not being that cheap or nice compared with the equivalent ICE in the market.

We're told EVs are simpler and should be cheaper - so how is it that Dacia can sell a perfectly functional cheap ICE for a fraction of the price of an poxier EV - despite the EV subsidies and supposed simplicity?

Suppose the market offered a Fiesta equivalent EV that was the same price as a Fiesta and no less nice (don't laugh - but I think the Fiesta is a nice package). In theory hat EV would cost say about £14500 with subsidy and might be quite attractive compared with its ICE - and we'd see a high proportion households with two or more cars switching their second vehicles to this category of car. The subsidy probably wouldn't be necessary.

Except it doesn't really exist.

Instead we have company directors and managers getting Taycans and Teslas through their companies.

ICE makes sense for regular long distance journeys (exceeding the range of an EV). That may continue to be the case for some time too/ But relatively few cars actually do that in reality.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

So thats the answer to saving the planet, 2 lumps of iron on the driveway.
Until there's charge points as often and as quick as a garage forecourt it won't work.
There's moves in the trucking industry to go electric, can't see how they can change when they are working 24/7 as my truck often does.

If you can’t have two cars - for any reason - there will continue to be ICE for the foreseeable future.

There are plenty of families who already have two (or more cars) and will change cars every few years, in which case having a mix of ICE and EV doesn’t mean having more cars than they would otherwise have, and does enable them to reduce their local emissions for urban driving.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I hate the motorway services and the thought of having to wait (let's be honest about charging) probably an hour at one while my car charges...... no thanks. The unwashed masses, filthy facilities and the over priced rubbish food at MW services.... - nah!

Then you have the stress of arriving at a hotel and hoping that there will be a charging bay vacant & that some selfish person hasn’t
left their car there for the night. I have enough stress worrying where I’ll park the SL.

I usually try to take the scenic route (so less charging points?) and prefer to eat at places that sell fresh food that is not full of preservatives & not have to sit at dirty sticky tables. Like you (on longer trips) we usually don't travel much more that 2 to 300 miles in a day & always try to make the journey part of the holiday.

So for you an EV might not work - or meet your preferences - but there are plenty of people who do stop at services and who would be just fine in an EV.

 

[Scooby_Doo]

You can't pull a cable out of an EV mid charge without unlocking the car with the keyfob.

Even the two cars I've used which both have keyless entry, when they were unlocked you still need to physically press the unlock button to be able to remove the charge cable. I know this as it took me about 20 minutes to figure out how to get the cable out of the thing the first time I charged it.

Otherwise what's to stop people pulling up at occupied charge points, pulling the cable out of your car and charging theirs?

So much of the angst and agenda against EV's is creating scenarios that simply don't even exist.

Point taken, never had an EV , but can you unplug it the other end without a key ? Nothing worse than a flat battery in the morning.
I've nothing against EVs , I haven't seen a model that actually appeals to me , I only cover about 6000 miles a year and rarely more than a 100 mile journey so an EV would suit my needs.

 

[alabbasi]

That could always recharge overnight at home.

Sure if you live in a detached house with a garage. But most inner city homes don't. For that matter, there's usually a 5 minute walk between your car and your front door. So effectivly making it useless to people that live in the places ICE are being banned.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Sure if you live in a detached house with a garage. But most inner city homes don't. For that matter, there's usually a 5 minute walk between your car and your front door. So effectivly making it useless to people that live in the places ICE are being banned.

The wheels on the bus go ‘round and ‘round.

 

[alabbasi]

The wheels on the bus go ‘round and ‘round.

Right, so the wealthy get tax incentives to buy a tesla and the rest have to cart their kids, shopping and everything else on the bus. I suppose it's okay if you want to live in pre 1990 China or Soviet era Easten Europe.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Right, so the wealthy get tax incentives to buy a tesla and the rest have to cart their kids, shopping and everything else on the bus. I suppose it's okay if you want to live in pre 1990 China or Soviet era Easten Europe.

Sigh, get a grip pal, you can still drive your old smokers for decades yet.

 

[alabbasi]

Sigh, get a grip pal, you can still drive your old smokers for decades yet.

I'm not worried. It's 27 degrees and sunny where I am and I've spent the morning rebuilding the fuel injectors on my V12 jaguar.

I'm pretty where i am

 

[flowrider]

The ICE ban won't happen in 2030, the next government or governments will realise the UK is not going to be ready and cant save the planet without the rest of the world joining in.

 

[Red C220]

Point taken, never had an EV , but can you unplug it the other end without a key ? Nothing worse than a flat battery in the morning.
I've nothing against EVs , I haven't seen a model that actually appeals to me , I only cover about 6000 miles a year and rarely more than a 100 mile journey so an EV would suit my needs.

You choose the type of charger unit you have installed., if it's a tethered unit the cable is hard wired and just has a plug at the car end.

Some can be unplugged freely from the wall if you have that type that uses the cable that comes with the car (I have one of these but I have a secure gated property so it's not an issue. On a terraced street it would be) but, some have locking systems physical or electrical. So the charger unit you install is subject to the security you require.

 

[Red C220]

At the risk of appearing as a champion for the EV future, understand I'm new to this and learning but happy to answer questions anyone may have.

I'm certainly not an Eco Warrior, it's cold hard cash savings (tax specifically) that have made me arrive at the decision I have. I am still a petrol head.

So for those wondering how you charge on a terraced street, some forward thinking council are using the existing street furniture infrastructure to incorporate charge points. Thus:-

1000 EV charge points installed on London’s lamp posts

1076 new residential EV charging points have been installed across London as part of the Go Ultra Low City Scheme (GULCS), a joint initiative between Transport for London (TfL), the Greater London Authority (GLA) and London Councils. The points can…

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These are slow, these are effectively overnight chargers or park outside your office all day chargers, 7kw will charge my Mazda from nearly 0% to full in around 4.5 to 5 hours. It will charge my Porsche from empty to full in about 8-9 hours. However most of the time you're not charging from 0-100, I understand the healthiest "fill" is 20% to 80%, mainly as the battery charge rate is not linear. The 20% - 80% range it smashing in at full power, but once over this it slows so it doesn't fry the electrickery (or so I understand). Like I say I'm still learning.

Telsa still rule the charging infrastructure. They are genuinely good, I just don't like the cars. However Tesla are now trialling opening their supercharger system to other brands (in the Netherlands) and it's been a huge hit. Much to the disgust of the Teslarati many of whom bought their cars specifically due to the fast and dedicated system that any old EV user may soon be able to use.

With this in mind I added a 150KW dc charger option to my Taycan (you think MB like to gouge for an option - try ordering a Porsche) this will convert the power to charge the 800v system in the Taycan at the full 350KW - which is actually faster than it can charge Tesla's generally.