Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[grober]

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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?​

I guess the question you have to ask yourself when purchasing a vehicle now-- bearing in mind the future environmental political climate, is what are the chances that any oIder ICE you purchase may ? be literally legislated off the road as 2030 approaches leaving you with "collective transport " as the only means for getting from A to B save for EV . It's tempting to say it'll never happen but realistically for urban dwellers the indicators don't look good. I am not advocating EV per se--- more it will possibly be the best way to maintain your individual vehicular freedom in the future? As always timing of purchase is crucial to stay ahead of the game ?

 

[Tonye]

As always timing of purchase is crucial to stay ahead of the game ?

If you get an EV now it may be worthless by 2030, batteries an all that. I'm going to wait till the Hydrogen model's appear, i hope.

 

[alabbasi]

So for those wondering how you charge on a terraced street, some forward thinking council are using the existing street furniture infrastructure to incorporate charge points.

I was over in the UK last month and all that was in the news was how the Northern Powerhouse rail line was going to be cancelled, 7 years after it was proposed.
Are you really thinking that you'll see chargers at every lamp post or are you just telling me that they're talking about it?

My parents live in Ealing which is a pretty affluent borough in London. Walking to the house from the tube station is about 20 minutes and I don't think I saw a single paving stone that didnt look like it had a sledgehammer taken to it. It appears that since my last visit, trash pickup has been cut back because I saw trash bags everywhere. So if there's no money for rubbish collection or sidewalk maintainence?

The pragmatist tells me that they'll be a lot more electric cars in 2030 then there will be infrastructure and your politcians will turn on a dime, as they did with diesel cars which were so heavily promoted a decade or so ago. Besides, it's London. If it's not bolted down, it's going to get nicked.

 

[Tonye]

your politcians will turn on a dim

I hope so, as do many others.

 

[Red C220]

Are you really thinking that you'll see chargers at every lamp post or are you just telling me that they're talking about it?

Did you even read the article I linked to that stated over 1000 chargers had been installed already and more were planned?

 

[Tonye]

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Where do i plug in.

 

[Tonye]

1000 chargers

Why is my lounge light so dim

 

[alabbasi]

Did you even read the article I linked to that stated over 1000 chargers had been installed already and more were planned?

There are 2.5 million cars registed in London. If they install 1000 charging points per month, it will take 104 years before you can meet 1/2 the demand.

 

[Tonye]

it will take 104 years before you can meet 1/2 the demand.

Think we need to put more coal on the burner to keep up.

 

[Red C220]

There are 2.5 million cars registed in London. If they install 1000 charging points per month, it will take 104 years before you can meet 1/2 the demand.

Of which 12,000 are EV's

So at your suggested roll out rate, there's one charger per EV car in a years time.

If you're going to throw numbers out in a tantrum to try and justify your perspective it's probably sensible to make sure the numbers are at least relevant to your argument.

 

[Red C220]

Why is my lounge light so dim

It's looking like it's not just your lights that are dim.

 

[Tonye]

It's looking like it's not just your lights that are dim.

Ooooooh, listen to you.
Wake up, do the sums. The cost of the infrastructure alone will make it fail, never mind the bureaucracy to implement it.

 

[clk320x]

At the risk of appearing as a champion for the EV future, understand I'm new to this and learning but happy to answer questions anyone may have.

I'm certainly not an Eco Warrior, it's cold hard cash savings (tax specifically) that have made me arrive at the decision I have. I am still a petrol head.

So for those wondering how you charge on a terraced street, some forward thinking council are using the existing street furniture infrastructure to incorporate charge points. Thus:-

1000 EV charge points installed on London’s lamp posts

1076 new residential EV charging points have been installed across London as part of the Go Ultra Low City Scheme (GULCS), a joint initiative between Transport for London (TfL), the Greater London Authority (GLA) and London Councils. The points can…

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These are slow, these are effectively overnight chargers or park outside your office all day chargers, 7kw will charge my Mazda from nearly 0% to full in around 4.5 to 5 hours. It will charge my Porsche from empty to full in about 8-9 hours. However most of the time you're not charging from 0-100, I understand the healthiest "fill" is 20% to 80%, mainly as the battery charge rate is not linear. The 20% - 80% range it smashing in at full power, but once over this it slows so it doesn't fry the electrickery (or so I understand). Like I say I'm still learning.

Telsa still rule the charging infrastructure. They are genuinely good, I just don't like the cars. However Tesla are now trialling opening their supercharger system to other brands (in the Netherlands) and it's been a huge hit. Much to the disgust of the Teslarati many of whom bought their cars specifically due to the fast and dedicated system that any old EV user may soon be able to use.

With this in mind I added a 150KW dc charger option to my Taycan (you think MB like to gouge for an option - try ordering a Porsche) this will convert the power to charge the 800v system in the Taycan at the full 350KW - which is actually faster than it can charge Tesla's generally.

You’re correct about the 20-80% charge being the best for the batteries - the charge rate will be highest at 20% and comparatively much lower at 80% as the higher the state of charge the lower the charge rate, although in some EVs like the latest revision of the Tesla Model 3 they are now encouraged to charge to the full 100% whenever possible as they use a new type of battery which benefits from this.

Tesla are trialling the opening of the SC network, but there’s been such opposition from Tesla owners as most bought the brand specifically for the exclusive charging network & there’s already considerable capacity issues as they churn out a massive amounts of model 3s. I don’t imagine the country-wide rollout will be in place for a few years at least & even if it does happen AFAIK only certain sites will be open for non-Teslas depending on capacity. Also the length of the cables etc is currently such that only certain EVs can even connect to them due to charge point locations.

Not sure about the 350kW Taycan charging on the superchargers as even the latest V3 superchargers can only deliver 250kW peak? I think there are other chargers that might be suitable though?

Again I’m no expert either but know a fair bit about Teslas/the supercharging network due to owning one myself.

I went from my V8 Jag to the Tesla and can honestly say miss it very little.

 

[clk320x]

Ooooooh, listen to you.
Wake up, do the sums. The cost of the infrastructure alone will make it fail, never mind the bureaucracy to implement it.

Looking at the charging infrastructure Tesla has installed across the world as a single company, it really doesn’t look like it’ll be difficult.

I was also of the mindset that EVs wouldn’t work, the range issue etc.. but now owning one I have very little concern & think it’s the future.

For example; yesterday I drove to Nottingham from Milton Keynes, then had to visit a family member in London, and then back home to the East Midlands again. It involved one charge stop for 40 mins where I had a nice Starbucks & caught up on emails…

 

[Tonye]

opposition from Tesla owners as most bought the brand specifically for the exclusive charging network

Already being ripped off

 

[clk320x]

Already being ripped off

At the end of the day it makes sense to do but I’m sure there will be some sort of preferential pricing structure etc for Tesla cars to incentivise people to purchase them.

TBH though at the moment IMO no other EV can match the range offered by Teslas such as the Model 3 LR - their battery tech is brilliant. The autopilot is also pretty good. These are the selling points, as well as the exclusive charging network (for now at least!)

 

[clk320x]

I don’t understand why there’s so much hatred towards EVs

They either work for your situation or they don’t.

The whole ‘the range is only 250/300 miles’ argument is nonsense, as no one realistically does a very long journey with zero stops… and rapid chargers are pretty commonplace now.

 

[Tonye]

preferential pricing structure etc for Tesla cars to incentivise people to purchase them.

So it's tesla or nothing. Im 63 so the SL will do for me and the bosses old 03 x type will do for her, had that for 15 years without any problems, thats eco friendly to me, not a new keep up with the Jones's new euro box every 3 years or an energy sucking to produce battery powered Ev

 

[clk320x]

So it's tesla or nothing. Im 63 so the SL will do for me and the bosses old 03 x type will do for her, had that for 15 years without any problems, thats eco friendly to me, not a new keep up with the Jones's new euro box every 3 years or an energy sucking to produce battery powered Ev

If those cars will work for your individual situations & you like them then that’s great. Enjoy.

 

[Tonye]

no one realistically does a very long journey with zero stops…

I go to France regularly, 700 miles each way. Not many fast chargers on the ferry.