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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

Boyband said:
Hi , Rumbling in Worcester re EV cars should only be allowed parked on the ground floor due to weight issues.
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What rubbish eh!......anyone designing a building designs way in excess of the maximum possible weight. As said you could have a floor of Range Rovers that each weigh more than the average EV...........as long at its not RAAC of course!!

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Darrell said:
Vans and double cab pick ups? They’re all air aren’t they?
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The basic SWB Ford Transit van starts at 1,600Kg.

The basic LWB Ford Transit van starts at 1,900kg.

The basic Hilux double-cab starts at 2,050Kg.

For comparison, the official weight figures for the IONIQ 5 are 1,830–1,950kg (depending on spec).

My point is that no one thought that weight was an issue... until someone figured out that it can used as anti-EV propaganda. All of a sudden, 'concerned citizens' post about the issues caused by EV weight.... :doh:
 
Hi , Large ICE cars fit larger tyres on cars impart to reduce the load transferred to the road surface. ( spreading the load )

I understand that battery cars use smaller / narrower tyres and that generates pointed loading on the road surface.
 
Solar panels on the roof might work instead of a pano 😇 works for E-narrow boat's.
 
markjay said:
The basic SWB Ford Transit van starts at 1,600Kg.

The basic LWB Ford Transit van starts at 1,900kg.

The basic Hilux double-cab starts at 2,050Kg.

For comparison, the official weight figures for the IONIQ 5 are 1,830–1,950kg (depending on spec).

My point is that no one thought that weight was an issue... until someone figured out that it can used as anti-EV propaganda. All of a sudden, 'concerned citizens' post about the issues caused by EV weight.... :doh:
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Its my understanding the weight difference discussion was more aimed at the smaller cars (lets face it not everyone drives an S class). Small cars is where the EV weight difference seems most. Eg the petrol Fiat 500 is about 960Kg and the EV version 1410Kg. The battery weighs 295Kg apparently. So i can see if all the 960Kg cars become 1410Kg there's probably an argument for more wear on the roads etc. Im not anti EV at all but just looking at the maths i can see weight could be a concern. Personally i'd prefer to see a greater range of smaller, lighter, cheaper, short range EV's that people could use to cover the small journeys into/out of town/picking the kids up etc. Realistically the UK is so wedded to personal transport i can't see this requirement changing - it will need generations to change the culture! So why not provide people with a cleaner alternative to using their normal car with one person in to do their small trips? We need more cheap Twizy type things i think.
 
ALFAitalia said:
What rubbish eh!......anyone designing a building designs way in excess of the maximum possible weight. As said you could have a floor of Range Rovers that each weigh more than the average EV...........as long at its not RAAC of course!!

FUD Alert: Weight Of Electric Cars Will Cause Parking Garages To Fall Down - CleanTechnica

For some people, electric cars are to be feared and so they make up the most outrageous lies about them to scare people away from them.
cleantechnica.com cleantechnica.com
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Hi , all I am passing on is the word on the Street in Worcester.

Before I retired I traveled the UK using the motorway networks.

Bridges on the M40 required the rebuilding , Gravely hill Junction the same , M5/M6 junction was in terrible condition.

Why was the second Severn bridge built ?

Designed and what's built are !!
 
markjay said:
The basic SWB Ford Transit van starts at 1,600Kg.

The basic LWB Ford Transit van starts at 1,900kg.

The basic Hilux double-cab starts at 2,050Kg.

My point is that no one thought that weight was an issue... until someone figured out that it can used as anti-EV propaganda. All of a sudden, 'concerned citizens' post about the issues caused by EV weight.... :doh:
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But you're not going to get a normal multi-storey car park filled with Transits or Hiluxes (or Range Rovers, or S Classes, or Bentleys). You are going to get a car park filled with 'average family cars', and if in a few years time those are all electric and each one weighs x kg more than a current ICE equivalent then cumulatively that could pose a problem. As mentioned cars are already heavier than when these structures were designed (a '70s family saloon car like the Viva or Escort was in the 800-900 kg bracket), so if EV versions were heavier still that could be the straw that broke the camel's back (or made the car park fall down).

If mass market family EVs weigh no more (on average) than current ICE equivalents then it's not an issue.
 
ChrisHGTV said:
Its my understanding the weight difference discussion was more aimed at the smaller cars (lets face it not everyone drives an S class). Small cars is where the EV weight difference seems most. Eg the petrol Fiat 500 is about 960Kg and the EV version 1410Kg. The battery weighs 295Kg apparently. So i can see if all the 960Kg cars become 1410Kg there's probably an argument for more wear on the roads etc.
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Precisely. And if you put 1000 of them in a car park then it has to support 300 tonnes of extra weight.
 
BTB 500 said:
But you're not going to get a normal multi-storey car park filled with Transits or Hiluxes (or Range Rovers, or S Classes, or Bentleys). You are going to get a car park filled with 'average family cars', and if in a few years time those are all electric and each one weighs x kg more than a current ICE equivalent then cumulatively that could pose a problem. As mentioned cars are already heavier than when these structures were designed (a '70s family saloon car like the Viva or Escort was in the 800-900 kg bracket), so if EV versions were heavier still that could be the straw that broke the camel's back (or made the car park fall down).

If mass market family EVs weigh no more (on average) than current ICE equivalents then it's not an issue.
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The BS Factor of Safety for construction is 1.5 for variable loads. Any building must be designed and built to withstand a load 150% of the anticipated maximum load.

If a multi story car park with 100 spaces per level cannot withstand the load of 100 S-Class cars, them it should not allow any S-Class at all. It is unacceptable to assume that it is 'safe' just because the probability of having all 100 cars weighing 2t is 'low'.
 
markjay said:
The BS Factor of Safety for construction is 1.5 for variable loads. Any building must be designed and built to withstand a load 150% of the anticipated maximum load.

If a multi story car park with 100 spaces per level cannot withstand the load of 100 S-Class cars, them it should not allow any S-Class at all. It is unacceptable to assume that it is 'safe' just because the probability of having all 100 cars weighing 2t is 'low'.
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As mentioned though, a car park designed in the '60s or '70s would already be operating much closer to its design limit than one built 5 or 10 years ago. A safety factor of 1.5 on a 850 kg 'average family car' of that era is only 1275 kg.
 
BTB 500 said:
As mentioned though, a car park designed in the '60s or '70s would already be operating much closer to its design limit than one built 5 or 10 years ago. A safety factor of 1.5 on a 850 kg 'average family car' of that era is only 1275 kg.
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Agreed, though it will have a weight limit per vehicle that is based on a worst-case scenario where all parking spots are populated by cars of this maximum allowed weight. That, or a capacity limit (e.g. capacity will be reduced to - say - 80% of spaces).

No car park will collapse because it can only withstand (say) 10% if heavy cars and unexpectedly there was a larger proportion of them. Or, if it will, someone will go to prison for it.

If there's no entry restrictions on S-Class cars now, then there's no logical basis to limiting EVs simply because there are statistically more EVs than S-Class.
 
Hi , well I fully understand that my ICE technology is

However , with Toyota battery latest battery technology has made all battery powered cars obsolete.
 
Gollom said:
Found my strategy. OK, only a 30 mile range when on electric. but the looks (and up to 300mpg!)...... 😍


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markjay said:
Agreed, though it will have a weight limit per vehicle that is based on a worst-case scenario where all parking spots are populated by cars of this maximum allowed weight. That, or a capacity limit (e.g. capacity will be reduced to - say - 80% of spaces).
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Worst case right now would be having every single space filled with an EV weighing in excess of 3 tonnes (sticking with the S Class theme the EQS has a MGW of 3.2 tonnes, or 3.5 tonnes for an EQV). You are confident that all multi-storey car parks going back to say the 1970s would either be designed to safely handle this load or have a way of monitoring and limiting weight by floor as vehicles are entering & parking?
 
Sounds a fully laden swallow Mercedes EQV could require the driver to hold a C1 HGV license to drive legally in the UK? The porky Aldi etron 55 Q8 cannot be far behind in the vehicular obesity stakes either.
 
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ChipChop said:
Sounds a fully laden swallow Mercedes EQV could require the driver to hold a C1 HGV license to drive legally in the UK?
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You're OK up to 3.5 tonnes max. weight on a standard car licence. That's why a lot of vans (including campers) are limited to that.
 
Boyband said:
Hi , Large ICE cars fit larger tyres on cars impart to reduce the load transferred to the road surface. ( spreading the load )

I understand that battery cars use smaller / narrower tyres and that generates pointed loading on the road surface.
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Another myth.... :doh:

This was true for the BMW i3 (introduced 13 years ago.....).

EVs have tyres to suit the car's weight just like any other car sold today (the only difference is that optionally you can use acoustic tyres with an internal sound insulation strip, to maintain to low noise level inside the quiet electric car).

My IONIQ 5's standard tyres are 255/40 R20. The load factor is 105W.

Where are you getting these 'facts' from.... www.letbashevs.com?

EDIT: the Tesla Model Y come with either 255/45 R19 tyres or 255/40 R20. The performance model has wider staggered tyres and wheels. I could also check Audi, MB, Jaguar, etc... but what's the point?
 
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