Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Darrell]

This is the Square where I took the photo. No driveways, big houses and therefore lots of cars.

It doesn’t take a genius to work out what problems charging at home will bring.

 

[markjay]

I have to disagree, the power companies will have a pretty good idea you’re charging an EV from a regular 3-pin plug. The continuous current draw over however many hours it takes will show up on usage data and eventually a trend will be identified.

Plus, ‘smart’ meters are only going to get smarter, it won’t be something you can hide going forward.

So you are saying that in future I'll get taxed if I use a 3kW electric heater to warm my house overnight in winter? And for running a 3kW portable fan to keep me cool during hot summer nights?

 

[markjay]

This is the Square where I took the photo. No driveways, big houses and therefore lots of cars.

It doesn’t take a genius to work out what problems charging at home will bring.
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That's no different to many squares or streets in London - lamppost chargers and/or bollards chargers can easily be fitted. As I said, I don't think that there's a technical impediment to installing public chargers.

My guess is that it's easier to do in more affluent areas (e.g. Westminster), because fitting and maintaining the chargers cost money, and the Council will struggle to find an operator that will make the investment in an area where people are less likely to have a new EV. That, or there are people in the Council who don't like EVs, or think that their voters won't like it if they spend their money on public chargers.

But whatever the reason, I am fairly certain that it isn't a technical issue - public chargers can be installed, I believe.

 

[Darrell]

That's no different to many squares or streets in London - lamppost chargers and/or bollards chargers can easily be fitted. As I said, I don't think that there's a technical impediment to installing public chargers.

My guess is that it's easier to do in more affluent areas (e.g. Westminster), because fitting and maintaining the chargers cost money, and the Council will struggle to find an operator that will make the investment in an area where people are less likely to have a new EV. That, or there are people in the Council who don't like EVs, or think that their voters won't like it if they spend their money on public chargers.

But whatever the reason, I am fairly certain that it isn't a technical issue - public chargers can be installed, I believe.

I agree with the technical aspect but it’ll be a financial one that’s tips the balance.

Who pays for the chargers? The councils, the charger suppliers or the power company?

If it’s the councils then forget it. They’re skint!!

 

[zipdip]

Well ordinary drivers are not buying EV's companies are and people who run small busineses they run the EV's for nothing,but even most of them will lease because as there is no market for second hand EV's the depreciation is mind boggling,and to cap it all the largest company who lease EV's has gone to the wall with 7000 ev's on their books talk about over hang on the market,sorry I cannot subscribe to this nonsence it too stupid for words.

I thought I would post what I said less than a week ago and say well told you my ICE cars will see out my 15 years of driving,and I am enjoying the shock horror of the multi layered green movement who are going crazy,so many car makers are going to stand on their collective heads after saying that they will only build EV cars ,it is a case of change their minds or go out of business,first to bite the bullet will be VW .

 

[Darrell]

I thought I would post what I said less than a week ago and say well told you my ICE cars will see out my 15 years of driving,and I am enjoying the shock horror of the multi layered green movement who are going crazy,so many car makers are going to stand on their collective heads after saying that they will only build EV cars ,it is a case of change their minds or go out of business,first to bite the bullet will be VW .

Same here. I’m 57 soon so I’m not panicking about buying an EV in the near future.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

Where will the Travellers and their ilk charge their EV’s ?
Perhaps they’ll be exempt on the grounds that the ban on ICE’s are detrimental to their culture, if not then coming to a sub-station near you……

 

[190]

In case anyone still thinks that electricity for EVs can be taxed.... you could possibly tax electricity from public chargers, but if the tax is too high, then those who can will charge their cars from their home supply (and on night tariff....). There will need to be a different mechanism for taxing EVs. Pay per mile, anyone? I'm in favour, BTW.

This is one of the most unsatisfactory things about the governments planning of the move to EV's. They have been talking about how to tax the fuel aspect of them for 10 years and will carry on talking for another 10 years meanwhile while raising no transport fuel revenue. That's not a criticism of EV's but it's it's very unfair on IC car owners. What it amounts to is the relatively well off who have been able to afford an EV being subsidised by the less well off who can't afford one. Given that any fool could have predicted that pay per mile is little more than wishful thinking and will be a long time coming if ever, they should have realised this and at least applied a road fund tax to EV's right from the off.

 

[maxypriest]

I'm planning to go down the historic route on this with my old 300D Turbodiesel - if the MOT/Tax free business is still going then all the better (6 years to go)
Also looking for an old American pick up truck and put an ex DAF 6BT in it. One of my friends has this at its simple and so over built it will last forever with simple maintenance.
I have to say i also like the idea of an old Leaf as a beater.

 

[Tonygw]

So you are saying that in future I'll get taxed if I use a 3kW electric heater to warm my house overnight in winter? And for running a 3kW portable fan to keep me cool during hot summer nights?

Cant say I have ever found a 3KW fan, that's some fan you have there!!

 

[BTB 500]

Cant say I have ever found a 3KW fan, that's some fan you have there!!

4 bhp ... better strap it down well

 

[Tonygw]

It does make me smile how people think they will add EV chargers to all our lampposts. Most UK lampposts are currently rated to 150watts, so cables, terminals, fused cut outs installed are all rated accordingly.

It can be done but at great cost since all the cables and associated switch gear would need to be uprated, including the supply from the substation, and in most cases an uprated transformer would be needed.

150Watts = 0.7A
3KW = around 13A

So the cables to the lamppost would need to be around 18 times larger, the raw price of copper at the moment makes this an expensive upgrade. Who will pay for this? ;-)

Even if you install in every third lamppost the supply still needs a massive upgrade.

I know they have done it in some streets. but it isn't the easy answer it appears to be when you consider a large part of the UK is terraced housing or flats.

 

[markjay]

Cant say I have ever found a 3KW fan, that's some fan you have there!!

Fair point...

But there are certainly 3kW heaters (and fan heaters )

 

[markjay]

It does make me smile how people think they will add EV chargers to all our lampposts. Most UK lampposts are currently rated to 150watts, so cables, terminals, fused cut outs installed are all rated accordingly.

It can be done but at great cost since all the cables and associated switch gear would need to be uprated, including the supply from the substation, and in most cases an uprated transformer would be needed.

150Watts = 0.7A
3KW = around 13A

So the cables to the lamppost would need to be around 18 times larger, the raw price of copper at the moment makes this an expensive upgrade. Who will pay for this? ;-)

Even if you install in every third lamppost the supply still needs a massive upgrade.

I know they have done it in some streets. but it isn't the easy answer it appears to be when you consider a large part of the UK is terraced housing or flats.

The lamppost charges in our area are all 4.7kW-5.5kW. That's better than a 3-pin mains socket that can only deliver 2kW-3kW, and slower than a typical home charging point delivering 7kW.

The point about lamppost charges (and bollard charges) is that you can leave the EV parked there overnight. If you need fast charging (50kW+) you'll need to drive to the nearest fast charger, where charging time will be limited to 4 hours (or 2 hours on a 150kW charger).

The obvious issue that the faster the charger, the more expensive the electricity.

 

[Darrell]

So back to my earlier photo and the comments made about adding chargers to lamp-posts.

I’ve just walked back up the street and counted them. Does anybody want to guess the amount??

 

[Tonye]

Looking at the road it will be re surfaced soon, then dug up to run cables.
2 is my guess

 

[Darrell]

Looking at the road it will be re surfaced soon, then dug up to run cables.
2 is my guess

Spot on.

 

[SpikyMikey]

Looking at the road it will be re surfaced soon, then dug up to run cables.
2 is my guess

Unfortunately I can confirm from personal experience that the road surface in Darrell's photo is actually above average quality-wise for Sussex

 

[BTB 500]

2 is my guess

Just need a few of these

 

[Tonye]

The cables will be big as well, powering all the new posts and electric boilers, or will they sink heat pumps in the road.
Total madness.
Could always flatten the lot and build modern flats with underground parking with charge points, and a new power station while there at it.