Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Darrell]

Could always flatten the lot and build modern flats with underground parking with charge points, and a new power station while there at it.

Most of the 4 billion flats being built around the Colindale area of north London don’t even have parking spaces let alone charge points.

The proles are expected to leave their boxes, jump on the Northern Line to work, come back to their boxes and do it again the next day.

What an awful way to live.

 

[markjay]

Spot on.

They'll install these then:

It would be easier and cheaper to do this in existing lampposts, but it is still doable even without the lampposts.

Only question is who will pay for it? If there are no EVs there, there won't be sufficient revenue to make it profitable.

 

[Tonye]

Going all out solar soon and keeping the w205 C250d est for ever is my strategy

 

[Darrell]

They'll install these then:

It would be easier and cheaper to do this in existing lampposts, but it is still doable even without the lampposts.

Only question is who will pay for it? If there are no EVs there, there won't be sufficient revenue to make it profitable.

Chicken and the egg then.

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

I think all of this talk is a bit short sighted. In a few years EVs will have a higher capacity and will be able to go 400+ miles without a re-charge. That's fine. Not everybody in the world needs a fuelling station outside their house, just as they don't now. Charging speeds in 10 years will be much faster. No need to install millions of charging bollards all over the UK.

We're just in the transitional phase. Once the 'city EVs' like a mini can do 300+ miles reliably (as they can now), it's really not necessary to have a home charger.

 

[markjay]

Chicken and the egg then.

Indeed...

 

[sgregory124]

So you are saying that in future I'll get taxed if I use a 3kW electric heater to warm my house overnight in winter? And for running a 3kW portable fan to keep me cool during hot summer nights?

No I’m not. But - you know that data can already be overlaid via regular power lines right?

So it’s not a massive leap to suggest that either the car will talk to the meter when charging (perhaps to dynamically adjust current at peak times) or the meter will interrogate the car for information.

Heck, with the new generation of EV’s that can feed power back to your house batteries/the grid, what I mentioned above will almost certainly come to pass. They WILL know what you’re doing, they’ll have their pound of flesh and there will be nothing you can do to get around that.

 

[ALFAitalia]

The info is already in the car of how much power had gone into it....easy enough for the car to send that info to the tax office with a bit of added tech!!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I think all of this talk is a bit short sighted. In a few years EVs will have a higher capacity and will be able to go 400+ miles without a re-charge. That's fine. Not everybody in the world needs a fuelling station outside their house, just as they don't now. Charging speeds in 10 years will be much faster. No need to install millions of charging bollards all over the UK.

We're just in the transitional phase. Once the 'city EVs' like a mini can do 300+ miles reliably (as they can now), it's really not necessary to have a home charger.

Where’s the double-like button?

 

[markjay]

....easy enough for the car to send that info to the tax office with a bit of added tech!!

Technically possible, yes, but unlikely to happen in our lifetime

 

[ALFAitalia]

Only if that charging is much faster........I font care how long it takes if its charging overnight on my drive......if I'm out and about anything much more than 5 minutes I would find unacceptable. That's how long it takes to refuel an ICE.....anything slower is a retrograde step to me......but its only time before someone makes five-ish minute charging possible.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Technically possible, yes, but unlikely to happen in our lifetime

Why?.....Tesla cars constantly send info back to Tesla and many cars update over the airwaves....so the tech is already in place.

 

[sgregory124]

Technically possible, yes, but unlikely to happen in our lifetime

It’s already happening….

 

[markjay]

It’s already happening….

A connected car automatically uploading data straight to HMRC (or DVLA)? Without a court order? Where and how? Do enlighten me please.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

In Brighton today.
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As previously discussed, these are already common in Clapham, Fulham, Chelsea, Barnes, Putney, Wimbledon etc.
Trip hazard? No more than our already uneven pavements.

Remember these cables aren't there all the time. It's only a few hours a week for a wage slave doing 8,000 miles a year.

 

[markjay]

Why?.....Tesla cars constantly send info back to Tesla and many cars update over the airwaves....so the tech is already in place.

Yes but HMRC (or police) will need a court order to get Tesla to hand over the data.

Since 2001, we have RIPA (Google it) but even that isn't as draconian.

 

[markjay]

...if I'm out and about anything much more than 5 minutes I would find unacceptable. That's how long it takes to refuel an ICE....

Of course it does :

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

This is the Square where I took the photo. No driveways, big houses and therefore lots of cars.

It doesn’t take a genius to work out what problems charging at home will bring.
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It doesn't take a genius to point out that those you're looking at 2-3 households or cars per house and that they've already worked out a car strategy to fit with that crowding. People find a way.

 

[Darrell]

People find a way.

Hardly the best way to live your life though is it?
“we’ll find a way” Err, no thanks.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Yes but HMRC (or police) will need a court order to get Tesla to hand over the data.

Since 2001, we have RIPA (Google it) but even that isn't as draconian.

I guess it would be part of the agreement that you sign when you order the car.......just like you agree to Merc up/downloading stuff to modern models now. No court order required.