Who's placed a C63/s order ??

[Jas C63]

As said both great cars i love amg and m cars

 

[RJ C63]

My neighbour has just bought an m3. What a noise in the mornings.....

 

[paulshep69]

My neighbour has just bought an m3. What a noise in the mornings.....

I have to apologise on a monthly basis for mine.

I have to leave at 5am, every 5 weeks, to get to Aberdeen for work. I try and use minimal throttle until I'm well clear of our cul-de-sac.

Should be better next time though, apparently my new Fi exhaust will be quieter on start up than mine with its gutted secondary cats. I hope the neighbours appreciate it.

 

[V8andTurbos]

M3 is a good choice. Good 20K cheaper than the C63S in the used car market. Not sure of M3 price brand new?

Seen a silverstone one with red interior outside my work, looked really nice and sounded good too. Defo worth a shout once prices have came down...

C63S is a beautiful car but 70K+ is strong money

 

[RJ C63]

Perfect package would be a c63 engine in an m3!

 

[DuncS3]

I'm just winding Scott up with the video.

New M3 looks fantastic but I just like the AMG thing atm, plus I have an e46 m3 track car anyway so I could sacrifice some of the slightly more focussed new M3 dynamics in favour of my muscle car AMG for my daily driver.

Can't wait to pick up my S, I'll just remember not to look at the outside too much

 

[ScottBacon]

Hahahahaaaaa moooo!

You are funny JBD.

You don't know much about your own brand, before starting to offer opinion on others

 

[ScottBacon]

M3 is a good choice. Good 20K cheaper than the C63S in the used car market. Not sure of M3 price brand new?

Seen a silverstone one with red interior outside my work, looked really nice and sounded good too. Defo worth a shout once prices have came down...

C63S is a beautiful car but 70K+ is strong money

Good point but it's not £20k, nothing like it really. C63 isn't really at the used car point yet cos dealers are still advertising registered cars at new car prices. But the point is that they are not flying out of the door. Theres a dozen cars on AUC that have not moved in 2 months. And this is during 'launch' which is not a good sign.

Even when they are being reduced like the one at Harrogate, which has been there a couple of weeks, it's not moved yet. They have got their edition 1 up for less than £63K now that's £12k less than list (already .... On a car that's still in 'launch' phase). Plus if you were trading that would be £5k less to the seller so £17k depn in a month !! That's heavy depn indeed

This trend will no doubt worsen as the launch passes ?? All cars depreciate, we know that, but AMG cars do so quite heavily.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

I'll just leave this here for Scott:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_uqlRnLAX8

To be fair, the V8 M3 didn't sound much better, both sound tinny but that 6cyl was dreadful.

 

[DuncS3]

Good point but it's not £20k, nothing like it really. C63 isn't really at the used car point yet cos dealers are still advertising registered cars at new car prices. But the point is that they are not flying out of the door. Theres a dozen cars on AUC that have not moved in 2 months. And this is during 'launch' which is not a good sign.

Even when they are being reduced like the one at Harrogate, which has been there a couple of weeks, it's not moved yet. They have got their edition 1 up for less than £63K now that's £12k less than list (already .... On a car that's still in 'launch' phase). Plus if you were trading that would be £5k less to the seller so £17k depn in a month !! That's heavy depn indeed

This trend will no doubt worsen as the launch passes ?? All cars depreciate, we know that, but AMG cars do so quite heavily.

I wonder if there are extra factors on that or it's just normal depreciation. IMO the Edition 1 is like a Halfords car plus the new C63 is imo not so great or different looking to normal c class - maybe that doesn't help. On the other hand, show me a 507 for less than 50k atm.

 

[Walt]

Good point but it's not £20k, nothing like it really. C63 isn't really at the used car point yet cos dealers are still advertising registered cars at new car prices. But the point is that they are not flying out of the door. Theres a dozen cars on AUC that have not moved in 2 months. And this is during 'launch' which is not a good sign.

Even when they are being reduced like the one at Harrogate, which has been there a couple of weeks, it's not moved yet. They have got their edition 1 up for less than £63K now that's £12k less than list (already .... On a car that's still in 'launch' phase). Plus if you were trading that would be £5k less to the seller so £17k depn in a month !! That's heavy depn indeed

This trend will no doubt worsen as the launch passes ?? All cars depreciate, we know that, but AMG cars do so quite heavily.

I wonder if there are extra factors on that or it's just normal depreciation. IMO the Edition 1 is like a Halfords car plus the new C63 is imo not so great or different looking to normal c class - maybe that doesn't help. On the other hand, show me a 507 for less than 50k atm.

Well, I've just been told that mine has arrived a month ahead of schedule. So I'll be largely driving around with a large smile on my face, and not thinking about the depreciation

 

[FastLaneJB]

Good point but it's not £20k, nothing like it really. C63 isn't really at the used car point yet cos dealers are still advertising registered cars at new car prices. But the point is that they are not flying out of the door. Theres a dozen cars on AUC that have not moved in 2 months. And this is during 'launch' which is not a good sign.

Even when they are being reduced like the one at Harrogate, which has been there a couple of weeks, it's not moved yet. They have got their edition 1 up for less than £63K now that's £12k less than list (already .... On a car that's still in 'launch' phase). Plus if you were trading that would be £5k less to the seller so £17k depn in a month !! That's heavy depn indeed

This trend will no doubt worsen as the launch passes ?? All cars depreciate, we know that, but AMG cars do so quite heavily.

I'm buying the car I want. If I was to do it based on cost then the M5 made much more sense (More than an M3 and M4 as well) but I just wanted the C63 as a change from BMW and not a fan of cars as large as the M5. Maybe I'll change my view when it comes time to change cars again.

I'd kick myself if I'd tried to saved a few k here and there and not got the car I wanted. Cars aren't investments at all. I liken them to an experience at this level. You go on holiday, you get nothing in return for the thousands you spend on it other than the experience and memories. A car is just a 365 day a year experience available to you when you want. If it was just about getting from A to B for me then I'd have a Fiesta or something.

 

[V8andTurbos]

Good point but it's not £20k, nothing like it really. C63 isn't really at the used car point yet cos dealers are still advertising registered cars at new car prices. But the point is that they are not flying out of the door. Theres a dozen cars on AUC that have not moved in 2 months. And this is during 'launch' which is not a good sign.

Even when they are being reduced like the one at Harrogate, which has been there a couple of weeks, it's not moved yet. They have got their edition 1 up for less than £63K now that's £12k less than list (already .... On a car that's still in 'launch' phase). Plus if you were trading that would be £5k less to the seller so £17k depn in a month !! That's heavy depn indeed

This trend will no doubt worsen as the launch passes ?? All cars depreciate, we know that, but AMG cars do so quite heavily.

Cheapest M3 I've seen is just under 49K and Cheapest C63S I've seen is around 70K. So 20K+ difference. Pretty sure a edition 1 S is around 75-77K new?

A comparable M3 I seen was a 2015 with 100 miles on clock. Just shy of 54K

C63S is a 2015 with 6K, just shy of 70K.

Both cars are comparable imo, so M3 does represent great value...

Both lovely cars, not sure which one Id buy

 

[JBD]

Cheapest M3 I've seen is just under 49K and Cheapest C63S I've seen is around 70K. So 20K+ difference. Pretty sure a edition 1 S is around 75-77K new?

A comparable M3 I seen was a 2015 with 100 miles on clock. Just shy of 54K

C63S is a 2015 with 6K, just shy of 70K.

Both cars are comparable imo, so M3 does represent great value...

Both lovely cars, not sure which one Id buy

Considering your name on here, probably the merc

 

[ScottBacon]

Cheapest M3 I've seen is just under 49K and Cheapest C63S I've seen is around 70K. So 20K+ difference. Pretty sure a edition 1 S is around 75-77K new?

A comparable M3 I seen was a 2015 with 100 miles on clock. Just shy of 54K

C63S is a 2015 with 6K, just shy of 70K.

Both cars are comparable imo, so M3 does represent great value...

Both lovely cars, not sure which one Id buy

That's not true mate

The cheapest C63S is on a at £63K as I explained. More will follow suit very soon because the used Mercs being advertised at list money are simply not moving

 

[V8andTurbos]

That's not true mate

The cheapest C63S is on a at £63K as I explained. More will follow suit very soon because the used Mercs being advertised at list money are simply not moving

Sorry didn't see that. 63K is cheap, don't like the edition 1 Tho.

 

[Palmball]

Cars aren't investments at all. I liken them to an experience at this level. You go on holiday, you get nothing in return for the thousands you spend on it other than the experience and memories. A car is just a 365 day a year experience available to you when you want. If it was just about getting from A to B for me then I'd have a Fiesta or something.

This is absolutely spot on because anything that's not the ordinary model is predominantly being bought for the experience. The holiday analogy is a great way of looking at it.

At this level, unless you're very lucky then deprciation is nearly always brutal - some cars are still worse than others but when you're spending your £60k+ on any new car, quite frankly you shouldn't be concerning yourself with what is an inconsequential variance here and there over and above getting the car you really want.

Both the M3 and C63 are, I suspect, being hit even harder than before though. Contributing factors are that neither seem as well received (although it appears the C63 is faring the better of the two in this respect), with the M3 truly one of the worst sounding performance cars on sale and the C63 not hitting the spot aesthetically. Also, both BMW and Mercedes continue to devalue their own brands through discounting, which in turn sets much greater consumer expectations of getting a deal, which generates a higher level of subsequent depreciation. There's also arguably a much more competent range of choice available so, where 10-15 years ago the default choice was only the M3, this is no longer the case.

For what it's worth to the those buying the C63, I'm a huge fan of both BMW's and Mercedes and from my own experience, the AMG would be my choice of the current offerings. I actually bought a new M3 last year - ordered it 6 months before it was launched and collected it on launch day. I owned it for 10 weeks, and over half that time I was desperate to get rid of it. Quite honestly, I liked it at first whilst I was in the honeymoon period but I fast ended up hating it. When you're cringing every time you start it up in the morning, it's a losing battle - in fact, the sound was so bad we even had comments from other people asking if it was broken. I also didn't appreciate the 1-series inspired (and quality!) interior on my near-£70k car, although I accept I could've avoided that by spending another £3k on full leather dash. Also, its lack of traction and refinement really grated after a while. The latter because of the M's unique directly mounted rear axle with no bushings to absorb road noise and vibrations, which in turn did make it a very sharp and focussed drive. All in all, I was that really disappointed given my previous 2 V8 M3's were up there as some of the favourite cars I've had.

That said, I do still see the appeal of M3/4's - aesthetically, they look superb and much better than the new C63 (although tables are entirely reversed once inside). The seats and driving position were superb, much better than the new C63's standard seats but not as good as when the AMG is fitted with optional performance seats. If nothing else, the M3 was really good fun to drive when you were in the mood and 'on it' and I suspect as a car to do track days in, it would be superb. But quite frankly, as a road car where I wanted to feel good about my expensive purchase, it wasn't for me. But what do I know....4 weeks after buying our E63 I've decided I shouldn't have sold our truck and am buying another

Worth noting that the M3 depreciated by £8k from list in the time we had it, despite it being a brand new model at the time.....it would be much worse now but it was nothing that I'd not expected. What I didn't expect was the dealer who I sold it too then lost a further £6k before they could sell it on. Absolutely brutal, and my only saving grace (so I didn't feel too much of the pain) was being able to secure a healthy up-front discount and deciding to move it on just before all the dealer demos were put on sale.

In contrast, I found the new C63 is a more pleasant road car, if less ultimately sporting. There'd be none of the cringing when starting it up, it's more refined and is a nicer place to sit. At least that's what I can tell after driving one for a couple of days against the 10 weeks in my M3. But then you'd probably never look at the C63 and think 'wow, that looks great'...at least not until the coupe comes out which is expected to be a real looker.

You pays your money and takes your choice, but be under no illusion, both are going to bleed money equally as fast as the other. Not worth thinking about and just enjoy the experience.

Here's some pictures from our M3 and I must say, it did look fabulous.....

 

[paulshep69]

show me a 507 for less than 50k atm.

There's one here:

Mercedes-Benz C Class 2014 AMG C63 Edition 507 5dr Auto Estate | eBay

 

[Twincharge]

....4 weeks after buying our E63 I've decided I shouldn't have sold our truck and am buying another

What did you not like about the E63?

 

[HB]

Andrew, what don't you like about the E63 ?
Got ours roughly the same time as you and we love it ...