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Why such idiots?????

The trouble is everyone wants there own personal lane and a clear mile in front - they could build 12 lanes on each side of the motorway and still you'd get most folks in the outside lane passing the few on the other 11...
 
RichieRuss2000 said:
The trouble is everyone wants there own personal lane and a clear mile in front - they could build 12 lanes on each side of the motorway and still you'd get most folks in the outside lane passing the few on the other 11...

Not too disimilar from the newly widened western stretches of the M25 on those rare quite times.
 
I find driving on UK motorways a stressful experience. Not only is there a major lack of lane discipline but you then get these idiots who sit in the middle or outside lane (they seem to think they have the god given right to do so) and when you prompt them to move over (when there are no cars in the inside lanes) they either blatantly ignore you, stamp on the brakes or stick two fingers up!....... why can't these twats just let you pass peacefully?

On the other hand i rarely see this sort of behaviour on the motorways of continental Europe. Over there lane discipline is generally better and when you do get the odd lane hog and someone behind flashes or tailgates they just simply move over and let the other driver pass....no stamping on the brakes...no sticking up fingers or other rude gestures.....they just calmly and peacefully let the other driver go.
 
I was driving down a fairly empty stretch of motorway in Manchester last weekend and there was a much slower car in the outside lane overtaking nothing in the middle lane, I had just passed a truck so was in the middle. I flashed my headlamps as a reminder that he was going nowhere (I was still in the middle lane) and that he was safe to pull in. I then went into the outside lane and patiently waited. After a couple of seconds he slowly drifted left without indication except to give me a finger or two with his right hand.

So much for being courteous, next time I will just adopt my usual policy of blasting past them on the inside.
 
In LA the freeways have no particular lane discipline at all, ie you can use any lane at any speed etc and undertaking is usual.....

(bit like here then!!:p )

:D
 
Re. undertaking my view is as follows;

The rules around undertaking made sense 30 years ago when there was less traffic on the roads and vehicles were mainly divided into 2 camps

i - incredibly slow lorries and cars (i.e., all the small engined cars of the time)

ii - overpowered yet unstable large cars (rover v8s, range rovers etc)

Back then, it was absolutely clear to all traffic that was averaging 40-50mph at full revs to be tucked away to the left and have the landed gentry and neolithic senior managers in fully expensed company cars blasting down the outside lane at 100mph.

There is now much more parity in vehicle speed and acceleration across all vehicle types and hence it is starting to become less clear what lane to be in, some people are comfortable slowly overtaking with a +ve speed differential of 5-10mph and a 1/2 mile run up, some people think that overtaking should be done in a F1 "slipstream" style with a 30 mph speed differential. Point is everyone has the capability to overtake / pull in and it now becomes a question of CHOICE and JUDGEMENT as opposed to bleedin' obvious, once it is not absolutely clear to us humans what to do in a given situation and we are forced to make choices based on our judgement, invariably it descends into uncertainty, emotion and mistakes are made or perceived to be made.

To demonstrate my point, if you go back 30 years there is no way on earth that a Hillman imp on full revs in fourth doing 60mph would hog a lane, if only for fear of a v8 Range Rover with rubbish brakes charging into the back of them doing 100mph, let alone any road use etiquette / the law.

Another reason why some people hog the middle lane (esp. in the wet) is because more and more cars have wide profile tyres and so tramlining in the inside lane is an issue. My handbook actually states not to drive in the grooves made by heavy vehicles in the wet. So for some, the debate ends before they have even got onto the motorway.

My final point is that it is only a question of time before we legalise undertaking as it discernably improves speed / flow which is becoming more and more critical on our road networks. What is holding us back is the legitimate issue of the inside blind spot, as a nation of drivers we tend not to expect to find a vehicle in our inside blind spot on the motorway and so changing the law would require some adaptation that could be dangerous as we transition.

For the record, I believe everyone should drive within the limits of the law and that includes not undertaking. My personal driving style is fast and so you will often find me in the outside lane, so personally I prefer it when everyone scampers left as I approach. With legal undertaking the average journey time for faster drivers would decrease as they end up getting legitamately blocked by other traffic, but the overall average volume of traffic passing a given point would increase.

In any case it may all be a moot point, I was once told that undertaking was legal in 2 scenarios anyway

i - when queueing at low speeds at (say) traffic lights

ii - if you do not change lanes to do it, i.e., if you are doing 70mph in a clear inside lane and you approach another car at 50mph in the middle lane, as long as you haven't changed lanes in anyway, you may carry on past that car on the inside without changing lanes. does anyone know if this is true?
 
sasha said:
For the record, I believe everyone should drive within the limits of the law and that includes not undertaking. My personal driving style is fast and so you will often find me in the outside lane, so personally I prefer it when everyone scampers left as I approach.

Err are you sure you are not exceeding the limits of the law? :confused:
 
sasha said:
ii - if you do not change lanes to do it, i.e., if you are doing 70mph in a clear inside lane and you approach another car at 50mph in the middle lane, as long as you haven't changed lanes in anyway, you may carry on past that car on the inside without changing lanes. does anyone know if this is true?
With the qualification that you cannot change lanes to do so (and are not exceeding the limit) then I believe it is not a violation.
 
dougal74 said:
With the qualification that you cannot change lanes to do so (and are not exceeding the limit) then I believe it is not a violation.
That's half my daily commute made nice and legal then :)
 
I wouldn't like to test this theory in front of a watching officer of the law... I might just end up on Police Camera Action!
 
loads of incidents like this on the A12, had one sunday night, where I saw the lights coming up behind me anew shape vectra, so i pulled over to let him go past, he must have been doing 90 odd in a 60 limit. then when i pull back out he slows down and just doesnt move out the way!, so i pulled back over to the inside lane and let a focus pelting it go up to him, and then left it to both of them to battle it out! it was raining and visibility was poor, so even more reason not to drive stupidly!
 
sasha said:
. does anyone know if this is true?
Yes.... It's not true.

The rules for overtaking on the nearside are quite clear, just as clear as the rules about not hogging the outter lanes of any highway and are easily found in your copy of the Highway Code.

As I always say.....

The day we pass our test is the day we start learning bad driving habits. Perhaps invest in a new copy of the Highway Code and get some sort of advanced driver training.

Regards,
John
 
RichieRuss2000 said:
First rule of the road... Keep Left..:)
Unless keenly utilising your right foot :D
 
sasha said:
In any case it may all be a moot point, I was once told that undertaking was legal in 2 scenarios anyway

i - when queueing at low speeds at (say) traffic lights

ii - if you do not change lanes to do it, i.e., if you are doing 70mph in a clear inside lane and you approach another car at 50mph in the middle lane, as long as you haven't changed lanes in anyway, you may carry on past that car on the inside without changing lanes. does anyone know if this is true?

The Highway Code sites two situations where you can legally overtake on the inside:

1. If the vehicle in front is signalling right and there is room to do so.

2. Stay in the your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the traffic on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left.

If the guy sitting in the outside lane is signalling right, well you just thought you were on one of those motorways with right hand turn-offs (M73 southbound);)

Of course, we all agree that 70 is slow moving so just need a fairly wide definition of a queue.:cool:
 

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