Wizardchips , anyone?

[Mickyh7]

Both my MGs are extensively, and invisibly modified. Nevertheless I have advised the insurers of all the details - probably 4 or 5 pages of A4 listing everything.

The insurers don't seem particularly concerned as I have over 50 years NCB, and the mods I have made don’t only provide more power, but also better handling & braking.

This is quite different from the bloke who puts on some chrome exhaust tips, then gets called out on the Internet though.
And quite correctly, brakes, suspension and then performance.
Most times, you don't even need the performance mods.
That's how it goes in Club Bike Racing.

 

[Mickyh7]

So I could have my 220 "mapped" to run faster and more economically without a problem? Genuine question BTW as mechaniking is a black art to me! Lol

A 220 on a soft/safe map would give you approximately an extra 50 bhp and 60 1bs torque

 

[ALFAitalia]

Yes,but don't fall into the trap that you'll save fuel.
You won't.
Performance = Burning more fuel!
However, my 300 had the same 2.0 ltr engine, as the 220, but I think it had different injectors turbos etc.

Absolutely.....no tuning box I've ever used gave me more MPG....despite claims. If you don't change engine hardware then you drive in the same way, and the same speed at you did before the box, than it will return about the same mpg as long as its not massively over fueling. But as soon a you start to use that extra power.....which after all is why you tuned it..... you will get worse mpg....cant beat physics. However one thing a tuning box does usually do is make your on board computer massively over read the mpg....so it will look like you are getting more mpg.....I think this is because it does not "know" that the box is making it inject more fuel than it was when stock. My Jeep was claiming about 5 mpg more than before the tuning box....reality was very nearly identical. One advantage of mapping rather than using the box is that the mpg reading stays accurate .....well as accurate as it was before.

 

[DSM10000]

So I could have my 220 "mapped" to run faster and more economically without a problem? Genuine question BTW as mechaniking is a black art to me! Lol

In short, no.

You cannot have it fast, cheap and accurate!

To be faster (presumably you mean faster acceleration) you need to improve the power to weight ratio so either increase the power output (by burning more fuel) or lighten the car.

 

[Mickyh7]

In short, no.

You cannot have it fast, cheap and accurate!

To be faster (presumably you mean faster acceleration) you need to improve the power to weight ratio so either increase the power output (by burning more fuel) or lighten the car.

 

[Gazwould]

Tuning boxes do not put out the figures they claim .

RaceChip even ended up in court in Stuttgart .

The one remapper I've caught out many times before.







Can you see the problem here ?

 

[AMGeed]

Honest.......no mods.....at least as far as I know!!!.....! I think you would find that "ignorance is no defence" rule would apply here if....and its a big if .....they found your car to be modified after a claim.


Heres my bog stock car I just bought Mr Insurance man.
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The problem with this one is that visually the car has obviously been modified so no point claiming "as far as I'm aware"
Under the bonnet however is where a buyer can easily be sold a car, said to be unmodified , with no idea if its been remapped.

I could have passed my remapped E63 off as an unmodified car when I sold it and any buyer who had never driven an E63 before would be none the wiser and just think "Christ, this is quick!" He could honestly answer his insurance company as "as far as I'm aware"

 

[Teego]

Tuning boxes do not put out the figures they claim .

RaceChip even ended up in court in Stuttgart .

The one remapper I've caught out many times before.


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Can you see the problem here ?

Nope

 

[Gazwould]

I'll give you a clue.

 

[E55BOF]

Interesting... Partly straight lies, partly not comparing like with like... Would a Sprint Booster help at all, do you think...

(I had a Celtic Tuning 'remap' on the R171 SLK 55; no discernible difference in anything. The inline six diesel in the E320 I bought had a TDI tuning box already fitted, and I was quite impressed, but the turbo lag was very noticeable - a bit like a two-stroke bike; trundle trundle trundle WHOOSH! - bugger, run out of puff, drops off the cam as it changes gear - trundle trundle trundle WHOOSH! - repeat as required...).

 

[Doodle]

Can you see the problem here ?

I can see several...

• Standard run took place after the modified one
• CF is on the absolute limit of what should be considered acceptable for an accurate measurement.
• All of the parametric values for each run are omitted.

Spot on presentation for an "Emperor's new clothes" remap though.

 

[E55BOF]

Er.... Std 13:10, Mod 17:20.

 

[Mickyh7]

Er.... Std 13:10, Mod 17:20.

Er.... the Next day!

 

[SpikyMikey]

Er.... the Next day!

Or month even, depending on your date format! Or was it a typo?

 

[Gazwould]

Clue #2 is from GAD Tuning

 

[E55BOF]

It's a typo, obviously, with the runs three hours apart. Nothing else fits.

 

[Larkone]

Do you really believe anyone would do this?

The risk that nobody seems to take into account is that if you are caught you risk having your name added to the Insurance Fraud Register. Then you put any future hope of getting any insurance (house, mortgage. life etc.) at risk of being refused or punitive premiums, not just future car insurance. There is also the National Fraud Database , Motor Insurance Anti-Fraud and Theft Register, Claims and Underwriting Exchange and National SIRA all of which record false applications. Is it really worth risking any insurance you may need for the few quid the extra for mods usually cost?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Im not trying to justify it....and I like to be all legal myself......but has anyone ever heard of that happening to anyone......I've many years trade experience and still dabble a little......I've certainly not. Not saying that getting away with it should be a reason to do it. I think a lot of people get put off telling them by a potential big insurance increase for mods.....but I find that this is usually not the case....somethings.....like on my last car I had 15mm wheel spacers and a different, duplex rather than single sided, exhaust (std volume though)....cost nothing at all when I declared them (OVER 15mm spacers would have been chargeable though). On my really modded Mitsi GTO my usual company would not touch it....so I went to one that specialised in modded cars.....and it actually came out slightly cheaper than the stock quote from my old company. The man told me that using a specialist can often work out cheaper.....modded cars tend to be owned by enthusiasts who look after their cars.....and, surprisingly, theft and accidents rates of modded cars are lower. I supose its a bit more diificult to move on a pink scissor doored E63 than a stocker!!!

 

[Mickyh7]

The risk that nobody seems to take into account is that if you are caught you risk having your name added to the Insurance Fraud Register. Then you put any future hope of getting any insurance (house, mortgage. life etc.) at risk of being refused or punitive premiums, not just future car insurance. There is also the National Fraud Database , Motor Insurance Anti-Fraud and Theft Register, Claims and Underwriting Exchange and National SIRA all of which record false applications. Is it really worth risking any insurance you may need for the few quid the extra for mods usually cost?

The bloke asked about fitting a ten quid chip?
No insurance company is going to destroy his life.

 

[Doodle]

It's a typo, obviously, with the runs three hours apart. Nothing else fits.

That's not how those charts work, reputable dyno software automatically logs the date/time at the beginning of the run. They were better off being the wrong way round, manual intervention on that table just digs the hole deeper.