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[m80]

Linda Davis: E-scooter rider, 14, sentenced over woman's death

Linda Davis, 71, died after being hit by the teenager, who was riding a privately-owned scooter.

www.bbc.co.uk

I guess we'll find out as I'm sure there will be more of the same to come.

 

[KennyN]

Linda Davis: E-scooter rider, 14, sentenced over woman's death

Linda Davis, 71, died after being hit by the teenager, who was riding a privately-owned scooter.

www.bbc.co.uk

I guess we'll find out as I'm sure there will be more of the same to come.

Clocked one at 38 mph ,on the pavement (him not me) , next to a park.

A 70kg + person travelling at 38 mph will do a lot of damage to whoever or whatever they hit.

No point in insisting they are MOT`d / insured / licenced / have lights as the f**kwits wont bother with any of that anyway.

Only thing that will work is confiscating them regardless of who or where they are being used , but thats not going to happen even though AFIK they are illegal to use in a public place.

K

 

[ALFAitalia]

Privately owned ones are....council owned ones that your can hire, like the ones in Southsea are OK....strangely!

 

[KennyN]

Privately owned ones are....council owned ones that your can hire, like the ones in Southsea are OK....strangely!

Same in York , available to hire from various street corners.

What about the insurance when they run into someone or someones pride + joy ?

Can see them being fished out of the River Ouse for decades to come.

K

 

[DSM10000]

Same in York , available to hire from various street corners.

What about the insurance when they run into someone or someones pride + joy ?

Can see them being fished out of the River Ouse for decades to come.

K

The ones that are legal to hire come with insurance cover.

 

[BigJase88]

There was one clown that went past the end of my path on the pavement with beats headphones on smoking a vape that nearly collected my 3 year old child

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Surely some misunderstanding here?

The branded ones are the licensed ones which are legal on British roads. The ones you rent.

"Privately owned ones" are the ones you can easily buy yourself which are illegal on public roads, but which the Government can't be bothered to do anything about. (Head firmly stuffed into the sand)

In Europe and the States it's normal to see "private" ones being driven at speeds up to 40mph, often without helmets. Some are very skilfully driven, others: not so much. None are licensed, insured, or identified with reg plates.

While they are dangerous, like £1000+ electric bikes, £500+ electric folding scooters are the future. They're cheap alternatives to public transport and are incredibly easy to fold and store at home or at work.

There's a whole generation of town & city dwellers out there coming through who simply don't want, and can't afford, cars or motorbikes. We've taxed them out of car ownership, and crammed them into town centres where they can't store one in any case.

 

[m80]

Up in't hills last week 3 off road electric f' wits passed us at maybe 15mph uphill.
An off road country track, peoples, kids, dogs having a leisurely stroll could've been victim.
I'm sure I would be legally wrong if one dismounted with my boot on his back wheel, morally though I feel I might well save an innocent.

 

[Petrol Pete]

The hire ones (although in my eyes the thin end of the wedge pushing these things as some kind of answer to all inner city transport woes) are not the problem . It's the illegal ones....every single one you see on our streets- that is not a hire one- in other words, that are the problem.

I could at this point bang my fist on the table and shout "Ban them , ban them all , and while you are at it make them illegal to ride in public ! "

But that would be a silly thing to rant about .....because they are already banned and are illegal to ride anywhere in a public place. So job done , the law is clear.

It just needs enforcing.

Breath not being held.

 

[poormansporsche]

According to the radio report the lad stayed with the victim and didn't try and leg it which is one good thing I suppose

 

[MrGreedy]

My view is they should be legalised on the road, and it made clear that they must not be used on the pavement plus harsh penalties applied for breach (well, harsher than £111 for killing someone performing an act that was likely to at least injure someone, if not kill them given enough time). At least then the people using the scooters are free/directed to take their own chances with the traffic at their election. Whereas the current state is to have them bombing up and down the pavements. I've nearly been taken out a few times walking out of my drive as they appear round a hedge at 20mph on a 3ft wide pavement.

 

[m80]

Then there is the question of competence to use 'anywhere'.
They are a form of motorised transport.
I can see they are only a step up from a suicycle, but tbh they are already a nuisance that have killed pedestrians.

I feel they are just another example of our government failing to govern as needed.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

........ they are already a nuisance that have killed pedestrians.

How can a government push back something that the public want as soon as they see it?

And this is a global trend. The UK is way behind the rest of the world.

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[MikeInWimbledon]

These are all over European back roads, but haven't ... quite... reached the big A roads yet.

Not ridden recreationally but by young men as a way to get to and from work or college.

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[st13phil]

These are all over European back roads, but haven't ... quite... reached the big A roads yet.

Absolutely inappropriate to use anything like that at a speed even as fast as a human can run, because it's impossible for the human travelling upon it to stop in an emergency.

It's simple physics: the "pilot's" CofG is well above their point of contact with the device, and there's nothing to brace their upper body against.

Travelling on it at 50-60mph beggars belief. Totally moronic.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Absolutely inappropriate to use anything like that at a speed even as fast as a human can run, because it's impossible for the human travelling upon it to stop in an emergency.
It's simple physics: the "pilot's" CofG is well above their point of contact with the device, and there's nothing to brace their upper body against.
Travelling on it at 50-60mph beggars belief. Totally moronic.

Agreed, I don't know what that woman thought she was doing. Ridiculously unsafe. Just look at it.

But if we tax and regulate Gen Z off the roads, and tell them that cars are killing the planet, what else can we expect?

Maybe two wheeled scooters ARE a safer compromise? (30 million of them on the roads in China, allegedly)

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[st13phil]

Maybe two wheeled scooters ARE a safer compromise?

As an experienced motorcyclist, I'd be perfectly happy to ride a two-wheeled electric scooter at a speed appropriate to the conditions. I'm equally comfortable with others doing the same thing.

What I'm not comfortable with is idiots riding them at speed where they will come into conflict with pedestrians, nor am I comfortable with them meandering over the highway with no consideration that they are putting themselves, and other road users in jeopardy.

As always, it's the minority who act in such a way as to create demand for more rules. And, as always, it's a failure of legislators to keep up with what is happening "on the ground" to anticipate and flex existing rules to accommodate something new in an appropriate way.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

As an experienced motorcyclist, I'd be perfectly happy to ride a two-wheeled electric scooter at a speed appropriate to the conditions. I'm equally comfortable with others doing the same thing.
What I'm not comfortable with is idiots riding them at speed where they will come into conflict with pedestrians, nor am I comfortable with them meandering over the highway with no consideration that they are putting themselves, and other road users in jeopardy.
As always, it's the minority who act in such a way as to create demand for more rules. And, as always, it's a failure of legislators to keep up with what is happening "on the ground" to anticipate and flex existing rules to accommodate something new in an appropriate way.

So it's not the device, or its power, it's the way its ridden?

 

[st13phil]

So it's not the device, or its power, it's the way its ridden?

Yup. Every time.

 

[Dryce]

These are all over European back roads, but haven't ... quite... reached the big A roads yet.

Not ridden recreationally but by young men as a way to get to and from work or college.

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I was passed by one of these while walking in the centre of Milton Keynes early in the morning a few weeks ago.

Rider had a 'proper' crash helmet and protective clothing.

All well and good for the rider - but the speed he was travelling at exposed pedestrians to serious risk of injury IMO.

Something needs to be done.