1988 Mercedes-Benz 300CE AMG 6.0 32v V8 Manual HAMMER Coupe

[RBYCC]

If you look closely at the engine picture it doesn't look like the Hammer M117-DOHC.
More like an early M119 based on the location of the oil filler cap.
If so not a true "Hammer"

Engine bay in question:



C124 M117-32V Hammer engine bay in another not real AMG built in the Colonies

 

[carat 3.6]

If you look closely at the engine picture it doesn't look like the Hammer M117-DOHC.
More like an early M119 based on the location of the oil filler cap.
If so not a true "Hammer"

There is quite a few of these in Japan, mainly fitted to c126 sec's. It's officially called an m117/9, and was amg Japan's answer to the "Hammer".

Start with a early m119.960 block and heads, then fit all the ancillaries and loom from the m117 "ece" engine. The only special parts are the pistons, and the ezl ignition control module.

If it has a manual gearbox like this car has, it will be fitted with the flywheel from the m116 3.5 engine, and the box itself is a getrag 265.

 

[Vlad]

Re the S124 Hammer.....I'm just wandering whether we are talking about the same car. The one I had in mind was a black or possibly dark blue that the owner was claiming was a Hammer, but after much discussion and research by various individuals in the US, it transpired that it was built using an engine from a W126 or SEC.....this discussion over the net took place about 7 years ago.

It would therefore appear that since then, that another S124 as mentioned by RBYCC has come to light and would appear to have providence to be an official S124 Hammer

Just out of interest, when was the S124 converted?

 

[RBYCC]

Re the S124 Hammer.....I'm just wandering whether we are talking about the same car. The one I had in mind was a black or possibly dark blue that the owner was claiming was a Hammer, but after much discussion and research by various individuals in the US, it transpired that it was built using an engine from a W126 or SEC.....this discussion over the net took place about 7 years ago.

It would therefore appear that since then, that another S124 as mentioned by RBYCC has come to light and would appear to have providence to be an official S124 Hammer

Just out of interest, when was the S124 converted?

The only Hammer Estate built by AMG North America was blue and converted in 1987 from a 300TD. I've already posted the history of the three owners.

Pictured in full color:



And can't get anymore official then page 28 from the 1987 AMG Technical Guide:



The 6.0L m117-32V Hammer wagon is currently owned by Jonathan Hodgman:

Atlanta Mercedes Repair

The black 6.0L M117-16V Mallet wagon was last owned by Dave Shimano.

Both cars are fully documented and well known to pre-merger AMG enthusiasts.

Ed A.

 

[RBYCC]

There is quite a few of these in Japan, mainly fitted to c126 sec's. It's officially called an m117/9, and was amg Japan's answer to the "Hammer".

Start with a early m119.960 block and heads, then fit all the ancillaries and loom from the m117 "ece" engine. The only special parts are the pistons, and the ezl ignition control module.

If it has a manual gearbox like this car has, it will be fitted with the flywheel from the m116 3.5 engine, and the box itself is a getrag 265.

Fully agree as Japan has produced some builds that were unique to Japan.
Still not what can be called a 'Hammer" which is reserved for the variants of the M117-32V motor.
The heads are what is unique to the Hammer.

Info I'm getting on the car that the OP posted is that it originally was a M117-32V and sent back to AMG for conversion to a M119.
The M117 had problems which couldn't easily be repaired with off the shelf parts.

Ed A.

 

[tedzwedz]

Correct ED, It was originally a M117 Hammer from AMG then was redone at AMG as a M119, as I say its had a LOT of money spent on it by original owner

 

[RBYCC]

Correct ED, It was originally a M117 Hammer from AMG then was redone at AMG as a M119, as I say its had a LOT of money spent on it by original owner

Thanks for the confirmation...
Great car but without the M117-32V the value is reduced quite a bit....

Ed A.

 

[tedzwedz]

Although there are also positives..

if one plans on using the car much its actually a much better engine to have, actually has some reliability without the delicateness of an Italian engine which the early hammer 32V was. Very hard to keep running correctly without huge expense and knowledge

 

[weide1]

Correct ED, It was originally a M117 Hammer from AMG then was redone at AMG as a M119, as I say its had a LOT of money spent on it by original owner

Can you prove AMG in fact redid the engine, transmission and bonnet swap?
Or was it some privat technical guy who bought the engine, the transmission and the bonnet and constructed it himself?
Making one original Hammer into some hobby car. Not worth the 70K.
Only original AMG installed makes it worth that amount of money.

I already spent some emails to AMG, the curren italian owner and HWA to clear up this question. No one so far can show documentation that proves it.

And by the way, that m117/9 engine (also known as 957 AMG Technik Paket) makes this car more special in my eyes. The bonnet is ok with me. The transmission should have been automatic. But if it proves to be original AMG installed, it's fine with me.

 

[RBYCC]

You will not get an answer from AMG, HWA or anybody else as no "central" documentation exists on the pre-merger builds.
This appears to be an AMG Japan build.
AMG Japan created builds unlike any other AMG franchise.

"Original AMG installed" is a bit obscure as more builds were done outside of Germany by the various global franchises.

Keep in mind that you only had to have two AMG modifications to qualify for the AMG badge on the trunk...

 

[RBYCC]

Look at this build not only as the V8 install but as much if not more as a true C124 widebody which is extremely rare.
It has an unusual early feature which as far as I know only showed up on the two Strattons RHD builds.
That feature is the stepped side cladding which if I recall is fiberglass.

 

[machineheadrock]

What an ugly bonnet and grille! Ruins the motor which otherwise is lovely

 

[tedzwedz]

Awesome car, just needs a normal bonnet and at least a 50% discount...

Haha looks cheap now, for sale with the bonnet gone at $1.5-2m.. Whether it gets is another matter but £60k was cheap, let alone 30

 

[Petrol Pete]

Haha looks cheap now, for sale with the bonnet gone at $1.5-2m.. Whether it gets is another matter but £60k was cheap, let alone 30

Great 11 year old thread revival !!

Where is it up for sale ?