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Advice on 2nd car for commuting please

DSOLDS

40K miles is a long time/miles to spend in a car you are not enjoying. I am bias but i would get a 124 diesel (saloon not an estate unless you need the room for work) and run it on veg oil. look around and your money will get you a mechanically sound one (it may look a bit rusty but these things keep going). with an older motor things WILL need replacing. somethings you can ignore if it was just for pottering around locally but sustained motorway driving means speed and you need the confidence that you are not going to be stranded/have something fail at speed.

finding a good 124 will take a bit of time - in your case it may be simpler to get a newer, modern motor. for 2K there are thousands out there. your requirement list, A/c, auto, 30mpg+ is not hard to achieve; the leather and cruise less so. get something around '99-2000 reg and change all the fluids in it and drive it.

my useless 2p:D
 
FWIW we run an Audi A4 SE 1.9 TDi estate as a 'shopping' car. It's a 96/P .. auto, aircon, etc. (not leather though), on 110k miles now, never needed anything apart from servicing and 'consumables' (tyres, cracked windscreen, cracked headlight). It's 110 bhp so quite brisk to drive, not a speck of rust despite a few untreated chips etc., gets washed maybe once a year so hardly pampered.
 
I'm not disagreeing with you here Shude but feel your maths is a bit flawed.
I didn't say it was perfect but an equation needed to be brought up at some point in this discussion, I hoped someone would evolve it into something realistic :)
 
It would be painful to walk outside in the morning, and climb in the crappy diseasel commuting car rather than the quick and comfortable "proper" car parked next to it.

Might that be like using a Smart instead of a CLK..
 
Might that be like using a Smart instead of a CLK..

I suppose it might if you were talking about a diseasel Fortwo rather than a mid engined, rear wheel drive, two seater Brabus tuned convertible, but hey, the CLK is currently parked outside my workplace, the Smart is parked outside hers. ;)
 
Somewhat sinister post trawling, but the attention is flattering!

I take the Smart when something needs doing to it; servicing, repairs, new tyres etc. Quite frequent when the service internals are 7000 miles and its doing around 900 miles per week.

I wouldn't recommend a Smart for a 40,000 mile a year commute either based on the experiences I've had with my Brabus Roadster which has done 32,000 miles in 11 months - very economical (50 mpg) but fragile.

Before I was engaged I used to do a 100 mile a day commute from Horsham to Reading and back. I considered selling the CLK and buying a diesel C Class, but the cost to change, the risks of buying an unknown used car versus one I knew was solid, so I kept the CLK.

Granted fuel costs were high but factor in ALL considerations (tax, depreciation, servicing, tyres, etc, etc) when choosing what car to buy and the difference between commuting in your 5 litre E Class and a relatively modern diesel might not be as large as you think.
 
Somewhat sinister post trawling, but the attention is flattering!

Ha ha.. I remembered your post about the floods, that why I said about the CLK and Smart...:D
 
Why are you commuting that long distance 3 times a week -- surely it makes both econmical, physical, and mental sense to spend 2 nights in a hotel. This reduces the stress / cost immensely and may influence your car choices. Not sure what job you do but if its a 9 - 5 job and you have to add travel both ends of that of around 2 and half hours each way - say 3 with traffic etc means leaving home at 6am and not getting back until 8 at night ...are you therefore safe on the roads...????

Give it some thought.

As for cars -- ask yourself what do high mileage taxi firms use and usually Peugeots spring to the fore.....
 
OK, thanks to all for this, some decent thought provoking discussion here.
1st, my reasoning.
Why do we buy nice cars and then leave them on the drive? Dunno but I certainly do. This is not some company car which I care little about. I spent my hard earned on this so I really don't fancy the depreciation or wear and tear that another 40K miles will do. I plan to keep the car for at least 3 years.
Yes, I do get mileage allowance of 40p / mile so probably a bit over break even point if depreciation is ignored.
Project is for approximately one year so no plans to run 2 cars indefinitely.
Safety?? I am aware of tiredeness etc but have no worries about a long commute. In the good old days before the Rozzers got a tad more interested I used to do a daytime office job and then drive gas tankers for 8 hours overnight as well. Ever since I can remember I have never slept more than 4 hours a night. Even now I hit the sack a 1-ish and get up between 5 and 5.30. So no safety worries for me there. I know when I'm tired, and when that happens I stop as soon as I can. Even 30 minutes powernap in the seat is a great refresher. Besides which I didn't marry my wife to stay in a B&B. I love my family and like to get home to them every night.
So, to the mechanical safety issues. I can only guess that a 12 year old MB in decent condition will be as safe, if not safer than a newer Ford or V....(sorry can't bring myself to repeat the V word). I NEVER skimp on servicing, NOT EVER. My life is worth more to me than a service bill. If it needs doing it gets done. No if's but's or maybe's. Just like I never buy cheap tyres. Continental, Michelin or Pirelli only for me. So, a decent W124 or W210, even a mega miler, ought to be safe if maintained properly. Even a MB from 12 years ago should be much more comfortable than a modern Ford or V.
So, the finances, well I don't really think of the overall cost but let's say 2.5K on a reasonable W124 and then 500 quid getting it serviced. 3 grand so far. Insurance is going to be around 400 quid for the year plus 200 quid for tax. £3600 so far. Now, 40K miles later is should still be sellable for 2 grand. I have left fuel out of this for now. Either I break even or I make a bit if the beater is diesel. Throw in a set of boots for good measure and an interim service or 2 for oil changes etc. Say over the year it costs me 2500 quid all in. That is a lot less than the depreciation the E500 would take and also I still have my lovely luxury car for the future.
There is also the sentiment that it took ages to find this E500. It has ALL the goodies listed except linguatronic. I "HAVE" to have an estate since I have dogs and I shoot as well. If they made an S class estate I would buy one tomorrow but they don't. The E class (which I cannot afford brand new) is usually specc'ed in a more basic way than the S. Hence my reluctance to use this one as a working hack.
I did consider having an S class as the "nice" car and an older W210 as the working hack but we also have a holiday home in mid wales. Thus I would have to have the dogs on the back seat of the S class. That would be sacrilege so the S class would never get used. If it is to be 2 cars then one is the commuter and the other does everything else.
As for changing to a 3 year old E320 diesel, that is never going to happen. As a commuting beater yes but as a personal family car then no. I had an E270 Avantgarde before this with a lot of goodies as well. It was not half the car this is to me. I just don't like diesel in a luxury car. It suits some people but I am not one of them. No criticism here, I just dislike diesel engines in luxury cars. Some of this comes from the usual disgusting mess the pumps are in when you go to fill up. All over the handle, the ground and the delivery hose - then all over my clothes and subsequently all over the interior of the car. Yeuk. (with a capital F):mad:
So, from all the advice here it seems either a late W124 or an early W210 for me. The 190 is not likely to be available with the goodies, or in decent condition without a long search. I will know for sure about the project next week so may well be asking this forum who's got what they want to sell :)
My thanks to all who contributed, it was indeed a worthwhile knowledge gathering exercise for me.
Dom.
 
I just don't like diesel in a luxury car. It suits some people but I am not one of them. No criticism here, I just dislike diesel engines in luxury cars. Some of this comes from the usual disgusting mess the pumps are in when you go to fill up. All over the handle, the ground and the delivery hose - then all over my clothes and subsequently all over the interior of the car. Yeuk. (with a capital F):mad:
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It's your choice of course. But this view on diesel is so out of date it amazes me. On almost every forecourt I ever visit in UK or Europe the diesel pump is right next to the unleaded. No difference in the "mess" at all. I have had a diesel E class, an ML an S320cdi, and two A class diesels and have never once met what you describe.

By the way 65% of S class sales are diesel. And the latest BMW 6 series has just gone diesel too. Diesel may well be the future.
 
If you have a decent paying job why dont you spend a wee bit more on a better car. If your job is your livelihood you should have a new car to get you to your place of work,... on time....! and not have to call or postpone meetings due to mechanical problems....I did this once and believe me it is not good if you on a career path.. ! .......... buy a cheap new fiesta / corsa etc. Good Luck.
 
I'm not "anti diesel" (we have two of them), but the mess at the pumps gets to me too. Wearing a disposable glove is vital (I'm not particularly worried about the smell, but I don't want diesel on my leather steering wheel) and you do have to be careful about where you stand. Of course the same spillage/dribble occurs at petrol pumps but it has evaporated by the time the next car gets there.
 
It's your choice of course. But this view on diesel is so out of date it amazes me. On almost every forecourt I ever visit in UK or Europe the diesel pump is right next to the unleaded. No difference in the "mess" at all.

Not out of date at all I'm afraid. This is why I use the petrol only pump at out local station. You got 2 choices at this pump, Unleaded or Super Unleaded. No diesel.
Everywhere there is a diesel pump there is a mess in my experience (2 years of a E270)
Your point about over half of S class sales being diesel is purely down to economics IMO. The cost of fuel is so ridiculous that people are forced to either get smaller cars or go down the diesel route.
But, I repeat, this is my personal opinion. You have a different viewpoint and that is a good thing. That we can all think for ourselves and have our own opinions is what makes for balance in the world.
Having said all that, I have no objections to the diesel engine per se, only the associated filthy, greasy mess that goes with it. Give me a E320CDI with one of those sealed fuel delivery guns (a la F1 cars etc) and I would be a very happy bunny indeed. Better yet, an S320 CDI if you're feeling generous.:D
 
Hello

Sorry still don't really understand

Project is 1 year, you spent ages looking for the car you have, it has a great spec your happy with......yet

You will walk past it to get in a 12 yr old car to drive down the motorway.

What Is your car worth now? seriously it will be losing a lot anyway, use the thing, enjoy it.

I LOVE cars I'm always cleaning them, messing around with them but they do get used.

However I think you have made your mind up, will see how you feel when you actually get the 2K car and start the commute :)

As you say good job we are all different :)
 
If you get 40p a mile - is that for just the first 10,000 miles then dropping to 25p (Inland Revenue Limits)......if you get 40p a mile for more than 10,000 miles you may get taxed on the difference....IMHO
 
If you get 40p a mile - is that for just the first 10,000 miles then dropping to 25p (Inland Revenue Limits)......if you get 40p a mile for more than 10,000 miles you may get taxed on the difference....IMHO


Not sure on this but I read somewhere you can claim tax relief on upto the IR limit of 0.45p/mile. CCD forum had a thread on it.
 
Not sure on this but I read somewhere you can claim tax relief on upto the IR limit of 0.45p/mile. CCD forum had a thread on it.

It used to be 45p now it's 40p as a result of the lower levy being raised to 25p from 10p.
 

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