Advise on Re-Map

[Goodie]

Can anyone advise me on ECU Upgrade or re-map

Thinking of getting the ' Spider ' ............link bellow

Diesel tuning. Spider® diesel tuning performance systems for tuning all modern diesel cars vans and diesel truck.

Anybody know if this is any good or can recomend a better one?

Thanks

 

[flango]

Spider is good and does what it says, we used to fit loads of them, best boxes now are DTUK much more configurable and reliable we've fitted loads in the last year and not had any comeback or complaint form anyone, only positive feedback received. If you want an hassle free fit and operation my advice is go DTUK

 

[powerfulml270]

Can anyone advise me on ECU Upgrade or re-map

Thinking of getting the ' Spider ' ............link bellow

Diesel tuning. Spider® diesel tuning performance systems for tuning all modern diesel cars vans and diesel truck.

Anybody know if this is any good or can recomend a better one?

Thanks

Hi,
DONT DONT DONT use a plug and play box, there are the worst thing ever invented. all they do is intercept the ecu correct signals block them and then resend out false signals to confuse the system alowing more power. If anything have a proper remap done , this way you are properly adjusting all ECU parameters to optimise fuel economy and performance. And for the money of these rubbish boxes you can have a proper remap done plus you get a warranty. By sending false signals with these boxes how does it know properly when to stop turbo boost? How does it know properly when to increase or decrease fuel? Bottom line is this does not. To much turbo overboost will resort in a reuined turbo, or worst still injectors and £200 each.

 

[flango]

Hi,
DONT DONT DONT use a plug and play box, there are the worst thing ever invented. all they do is intercept the ecu correct signals block them and then resend out false signals to confuse the system alowing more power. If anything have a proper remap done , this way you are properly adjusting all ECU parameters to optimise fuel economy and performance. And for the money of these rubbish boxes you can have a proper remap done plus you get a warranty. By sending false signals with these boxes how does it know properly when to stop turbo boost? How does it know properly when to increase or decrease fuel? Bottom line is this does not. To much turbo overboost will resort in a reuined turbo, or worst still injectors and £200 each.

No they don't the high end boxes like Spider and DTUK act as independent ECU's and take their signals from the same sensors as the main ECU they are aimed at people who can't remap because of things like company car ownership, warranty issues, etc.. There is no difference between a high end tuning box which is programmable and a remap on the main ECU. It just depends if you want to have the option to instantly remove the uprade which boxes allow, that said there are now some good remaps with handheld devices via the obd port that let you load what map you want but these are around £500 but you always run the risk of stuffing up the ECU if you have a comms issue.

My advice if you are not bothered about wanting to remove such a device get a remap of the ECU, if you want a removable device get a high end tuning box

 

[rf065]

And for the money of these rubbish boxes you can have a proper remap done plus you get a warranty.

In general, not one of these warranties are worth the paper they're written on, so don't let that sway you.

Russ

 

[Crespo]

I had a tuning box on my 270 cdi and yes it did improve performance but it also smoked like a chimney and gave my trip computer false readings (Highly optimistic MPG readings).
Happens with most tuning boxes.

I have since binned it and got a proper remap (for £200) and it is night and day the difference.

I am not going to slag off tuning boxes because they do what they are intended for and that is a performance boost. Yes you can get digital or analogue but they still only adjust the fuel going to the injectors, They cant change boost etc.

With a tuning box you get a lot of low down torque which tails off quickly but with a remap you have a smoother delivery through the rev range making for a nicer drive and power more readily available through the rev range.

My remap cured the half a second lag you get with the autobox when planting your foot and it also didn't suffer the complete lack of power when using kick down and the car dropping a gear only to land in the range where the torque had tailed off (the tuning box was terrible for this.

Yes a tuning box is ok and i would certainly not advise against getting one but a £500 tuning box vs a £200 remap is a no brainer for me.

 

[flango]

I had a tuning box on my 270 cdi and yes it did improve performance but it also smoked like a chimney and gave my trip computer false readings (Highly optimistic MPG readings).
Happens with most tuning boxes.

I have since binned it and got a proper remap (for £200) and it is night and day the difference.

I am not going to slag off tuning boxes because they do what they are intended for and that is a performance boost. Yes you can get digital or analogue but they still only adjust the fuel going to the injectors, They cant change boost etc.

With a tuning box you get a lot of low down torque which tails off quickly but with a remap you have a smoother delivery through the rev range making for a nicer drive and power more readily available through the rev range.

My remap cured the half a second lag you get with the autobox when planting your foot and it also didn't suffer the complete lack of power when using kick down and the car dropping a gear only to land in the range where the torque had tailed off (the tuning box was terrible for this.

Yes a tuning box is ok and i would certainly not advise against getting one but a £500 tuning box vs a £200 remap is a no brainer for me.

I'm not being funny here but this is a classic example of a low end tuning box i.e one that increases fuel pressure only. The reason for the better mpg reading is the car on board computer is calibrated for a certain fuel pressure on the rail increase that pressure and the fantastic improvement in mpg is directly proportional to the increase.

Unfortunately you are mistaken and tuning boxes can change everything the main ECU can including boost, fuel pressures, etc..

As previously posted there is no operational difference between a high end tuning box and a remap we have a BMW 530d thats had a spider box on for 60,000 miles and a MB C270 thats had a DTUK box on for 33,000 miles no issues on either. All our other cars are remapped as we remap and fit boxes and there is no difference.

 

[Goodie]

Thanks everybody for you help and imput.
Think i might go down the Re-map route so any recomendations would be very welcome.
I'm based in Lincoln but will travel for the right price ;-)

 

[After Shock]

I'm interested in a remap too

Acid. Is it???? Helllllllo

B'ham based I think. A thread on here explains a great remap.

I'll find it.

 

[MB-BTurbo]

I need information regarding remaps as well please as it now adds no increase to my insurance premiums.

Who are good, who are bad? What should you expect and for how much, e.g. is a generic remap ok or should you only get one tailored for each car?

 

[wilsodg]

I need information regarding remaps as well please as it now adds no increase to my insurance premiums.

How did you manage to have no increase after modifying your car with an unspecified remap? Please share

 

[TDE1]

I'm interested in a remap too

Acid. Is it???? Helllllllo

B'ham based I think. A thread on here explains a great remap.

I'll find it.

Acid is in Brum, not a million miles from you, and I'd recommend him. The only time I enjoyed a visit to a workshop with my MB was there. Top bloke, and he knows his stuff.

 

[MB-BTurbo]

How did you manage to have no increase after modifying your car with an unspecified remap? Please share

Went on go compare. Did a quote before a remap and one after. The lowest premium did not change (£507 with Axa)