Almost pulling the trigger on a W212 E63

[Palmball]

I've been having serious discussions today with my local dealer regarding purchasing a new E63.

The deals MB Finance are doing on these are extremely good - indeed, a basic E63 has a monthly cost some 20% less than my C63 despite the fact that it's purchase price os £10k more (and the fact that I also got my C63 on an MB-subsidised finance deal). I'd of course not be considering a 'basic' one and the residuals they're quoting are VERY good (c.£15k more than the C63 after 3 years )...the interest rate would even look competitive for a mortgage! On top of all that they even pay nearly £6k towards the deposit...if it still wasn't such a large amount of wonga, I'd say they couldn't give them away!

The hard thing is getting hold of an actual car which can be registered whilst the deal is guaranteed to be on the table - I wonder if these offers are going to be available into next year given they've been on for the best part of 9 months already??

Interestingly, they've also offered me a very strong trade-in price and have actually taken into account the cost and extra desirability of my Designo interior - I seriously didn't expect a main dealer to do that! Obviously they'll not be getting my suspension which will be removed from the car and sold on separately!

Despite this, if I decide to do this then I'll still put my car for sale privately first (for the amount I've been offered as a trade-in) as I'll be able to get an even stronger deal should I not have a part-exchange.

All thats needed is for me to decide whether I actually like the car in comparison to the C63 (as in aesthetically) - whilst I do like the W212, it's just not as sporty/pretty/chunky looking as the C63. What my 1-hour experience of one at MB World a couple for months ago told me was that, as a driving experience, it was an extremely well engineered sports saloon - I couldn't get over the feeling of solidity from it compared to just about anything else I've driven.

The dealer are hopefully sorting an E63 from their Derby (AMG) branch for me to try over the weekend and after that I'll decide....does the C63 stay or go?

 

[PXW]

Interesting. I take it you've now got the C63 set up how you want it? TBH, if I'd put the effort into sorting a car that you've put into yours, I'd want to run it for a bit longer - though I can see the temptation of good deals on the E. It will be interesting to see your side-by-side comparisons of performance - particularly handling, given how you've improved the C63 - it's hard to see how the larger, heavier car could get close to what you already have.

 

[trando]

Interesting..... So what are you after, more room? More power? Ultimately though, does the E drive as well as the C - particularly with your set up? I have driven both (although I only drove the E for about 20 minutes) and much prefer the C.

 

[JLR1969]

Mate do you see money as something to get rid of as soon as you have it! I seriously think you need help.

 

[trapperjohn]

Ah but if you have the money it is sure nice to play around with figures and perhaps get a better, faster more rewarding car to drive. Also it would be for less than the current outlay and a better end deal. You would have to think tho why is the sales person being so nice about the current motor money wise.

Its only a muse/muze as I see it. Personally for me I would stick with the incredible machine he already has, but that is just me.

 

[pagzzy]

emm and i think you would be losing your bet with a mb forum member ... think it was 50 to charity right lol

 

[Alex]

Go for it, you only live once.

 

[moonloops]

Mate do you see money as something to get rid of as soon as you have it! I seriously think you need help.

You can't spend money when your dead, make use of it now and enjoy your life

 

[JLR1969]

I agree but if you knew the full extent you may think differently, besides Andy is only 30+ and not planning on passing away just yet.

I just see it as an incredible waste of money.

 

[C240Sport97]

I suspect that the E63 will get the new 5.5 litre bi turbo engine from the SL and CL class next year. MB has already announced that the Gen II CLS will launch with that engine.

As a result, I think that there will be better deals on the E63 (with the 6.3 litre NA engine) next year as they clear stocks for the new engine.

The market for saloons with massive engines is not that lively.

 

[Palmball]

"When you're finished changing, you're finished" Benjamin Franklin


I know people may find my outlook on life a little difficult to get their heads round but let me answer a few concerns...

Why am I considering this when I've just put so much effort into getting my car right?

To me, the effort and the challenge of what I did is the fun....and it gave me an incredibly interesting summer doing it. It's my interest and pastime and no different anyone having an 'interest'...but it doesn't automatically mean that I'm not always looking for the 'next thing'.

What my effort has ensured is that I do have an incredible car and therefore will only change it for something that I feel is better...for me, right now. 'Better' can be interpreted in a lot of ways and to me, just having a change is often 'better'....and this is best highlighted in my change 16 months ago from a BMW M6 to a C63....the C63 is not technically a 'better' car but is better for the reasons that I want to interpret.

Sometimes my replacement cars are better and more expensive than the last, sometimes they're cheaper and can often be deemed as a backwards step but
I love the change whatever way I go.

What am I after?

Who knows....but in answer to Trando's question, I definitely don't need a bigger, faster or better handling car! I would like something that addresses the things that I don't deem as entirely perfect on the C63, in particular gearbox and steering column rattle (characteristic of the C63 for some strange reason and even more annoying now the other half has a 135i with a perfectly solid column!) but in all honesty whatever I get will have it's own issues and then the circle continues.

The things that draw me to the 'E' are the incredible gearbox (more direct yet just as smooth as a torque converter yet with more feel than a DSG-type box), the refinement (which in all honesty I place a much higher priority on than I often let on) and the absolute solid, hewn from rock feel...I sort of 'get' what all the W124 owners are on about!


What about the waste of money?

And specifically to Jon's argument....

Jon...we've discussed this before but yet you can't seem to grasp that everyone has different values/wants/needs to you - I don't need 'help' any more than the next person or you. I do what makes me happy and that may be very different to what you look for out of life. Indeed, the things that I know you like hold absolutely no interest to me yet you won;t find any derogatory comments from me!

What exactly is the problem if a) I can afford it (and clearly I wouldn't do this if I couldn't or it impacted any other part of my life!), b) it doesn't hurt anybody else and c) it's what I want?

Finally on this subject, what part of 'a basic E63 has a monthly cost some 20% less than my C63' and 'they even pay nearly £6k towards the deposit' did you miss? Whilst I'm not implying a change would have no extra financial outlay, financially this is a perfectly sound move.

All in all guy's, I have no idea whether I will actually do this until I've spent a reasonable amount of time in the car and satisfied myself that at his moment in time it's the better one for me. I am considering two other cars as well, namely a Maserati Granturismo and a Corvette Z06 (lol at that!) and whilst the financials make sense, I look forward to actually being able to report on the pro's and con's of each!

 

[The _Don]

A neighbours son has purchased a granturismo s have you heard the noise they make ??? it's awesome - more louder/aggressive than our 63's !! but i checked the vital stats and it seems to be slower than a stock 63

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Good luck with whichever you choose, it's your money....etc etc
Funnily enough, my vote goes for the E63.
To me it is the flagship Mercedes-Benz of the moment...

 

[tpwuk]

New Mercs depreciate too much for my likings which was something I could stomach 10 years ago but not now.

I say get the Mazza!

BFWIW, the E63 is a class above the C63 and if you can get inside one for less than your paying for the C63, I'd jump at it!

 

[bobbersmill]

"When you're finished changing, you're finished" Benjamin Franklin


I know people may find my outlook on life a little difficult to get their heads round but let me answer a few concerns...

Why am I considering this when I've just put so much effort into getting my car right?

To me, the effort and the challenge of what I did is the fun....and it gave me an incredibly interesting summer doing it. It's my interest and pastime and no different anyone having an 'interest'...but it doesn't automatically mean that I'm not always looking for the 'next thing'.

What my effort has ensured is that I do have an incredible car and therefore will only change it for something that I feel is better...for me, right now. 'Better' can be interpreted in a lot of ways and to me, just having a change is often 'better'....and this is best highlighted in my change 16 months ago from a BMW M6 to a C63....the C63 is not technically a 'better' car but is better for the reasons that I want to interpret.

Sometimes my replacement cars are better and more expensive than the last, sometimes they're cheaper and can often be deemed as a backwards step but
I love the change whatever way I go.

What am I after?

Who knows....but in answer to Trando's question, I definitely don't need a bigger, faster or better handling car! I would like something that addresses the things that I don't deem as entirely perfect on the C63, in particular gearbox and steering column rattle (characteristic of the C63 for some strange reason and even more annoying now the other half has a 135i with a perfectly solid column!) but in all honesty whatever I get will have it's own issues and then the circle continues.

The things that draw me to the 'E' are the incredible gearbox (more direct yet just as smooth as a torque converter yet with more feel than a DSG-type box), the refinement (which in all honesty I place a much higher priority on than I often let on) and the absolute solid, hewn from rock feel...I sort of 'get' what all the W124 owners are on about!


What about the waste of money?

And specifically to Jon's argument....

Jon...we've discussed this before but yet you can't seem to grasp that everyone has different values/wants/needs to you - I don't need 'help' any more than the next person or you. I do what makes me happy and that may be very different to what you look for out of life. Indeed, the things that I know you like hold absolutely no interest to me yet you won;t find any derogatory comments from me!

What exactly is the problem if a) I can afford it (and clearly I wouldn't do this if I couldn't or it impacted any other part of my life!), b) it doesn't hurt anybody else and c) it's what I want?

Finally on this subject, what part of 'a basic E63 has a monthly cost some 20% less than my C63' and 'they even pay nearly £6k towards the deposit' did you miss? Whilst I'm not implying a change would have no extra financial outlay, financially this is a perfectly sound move.

All in all guy's, I have no idea whether I will actually do this until I've spent a reasonable amount of time in the car and satisfied myself that at his moment in time it's the better one for me. I am considering two other cars as well, namely a Maserati Granturismo and a Corvette Z06 (lol at that!) and whilst the financials make sense, I look forward to actually being able to report on the pro's and con's of each!

Good for you!
I totally agree with you and I too am totally nuts about cars, I actually enjoy the whole buying process, the negoitiations, test drives, speccing etc etc. If I could afford it I would change cars every year.
FWIW I really love the look of the E63. You can lease them for 6 + 23 x 688 + Vat and they have pretty much everything as standard.

 

[d w124]

The things that draw me to the 'E' are the incredible gearbox (more direct yet just as smooth as a torque converter yet with more feel than a DSG-type box), the refinement (which in all honesty I place a much higher priority on than I often let on) and the absolute solid, hewn from rock feel...I sort of 'get' what all the W124 owners are on about!

No you don`t .I see you like speed,and you like to get what we`re on about
Be a MAN,have some nuts opppps sorry,I mean have this

VÄTH (W124) V12 - 7.2L - Bilgalleri.dk - Danmarks største bilgalleri

 

[JLR1969]

How is it a sound financial move when you have spent in excess of £72k and you will lose thousands when trading it in?

I would have thought that after spending a fortune making a car exactly how you want it you would enjoy it not sell it after 8 months.

I appreciate that we are all different I just find it strange that you are never happy with something for any length of time.

 

[renault12ts]

A neighbours son has purchased a granturismo s have you heard the noise they make ??? it's awesome - more louder/aggressive than our 63's !! but i checked the vital stats and it seems to be slower than a stock 63

Slower? Where?

 

[vincenz]

Palmball
Ae you sure you will get a stronger deal without trade in?

Dealers make their money on second hand car sales and if theres a demand for your type of car then this is why they will be offering you a decent price.

Worth checking first IMO

 

[timk]

Why not have a change and go for the Maserati Granturismo S? There's a couple in my parents village and they sound absolutely out of this world. Plus if you have something different for a bit, you'll love Mercs again when you eventually want to return to the AMG fold.