Anti-McLaren / Pro Ferrari strip Lewis of win

[Sprintmick]

Far be it for me to gossip but who here remembers when Ferrari were actually given a drive through penalty at Silverstone? perhaps that is why Eccles cake intends removing Silverstone?

Smuck face took this drive through penalty after the race had finished!!! He came into the pits but crossed the finish line before entering his pit box Because this was Ferrari it was deemed okay and perfectly acceptable.

John

Ooooh Yes, I remember that one. Just another fiddling of the rules to make them fit the purpose


Mick

 

[glojo]

Every one is forgetting the bottom line, Max Mosely is in charge of the FIA and for his own reasons (I'm not even going there) he seems determined to stop Lewis getting to be world champion.

As for fair play, I think Jean Todt being involved in last years maclaren fine says it all.

Phil

Herr mouse Ley might be in charge of the FIA but if push came to shove and Eccles-cake thought there was more profit in ditching this organisation then me thinks this would happen.

Remember if it was up to him last year it would have been driver points as well as constructor points deducted, it was only Bernies business sense that stopped that happening.

By all means call me a cynic but I don't believe a word this pervert mutters. When he said that he reminds me of the drunk that pleads for someone to hold him back before he knocks ten bells out of Mike Tyson.
"If I had my way I would have thrown McLaren out of the championship!" Yeh right, I believe you What a load of old tosh. I read the very eloquent submission put forward by Mercedes-Benz and I personally believe it was the very well worded threat of Mercedes-Benz completely pulling out of formula 1 that perhaps made this sic person change his mind. Money talks and the threat of Mercedes walking did the trick (Not McLaren)

This is all really a very personal vendetta between Ron Dennis and two very powerful individuals and unfortunately Hamilton is a mere pawn.

Going off topic slightly I still think Hamilton should keep his mouth shut and let his driving do the talking. He tried humiliating Massa and came unstuck. This week-end he stated how NO ONE would ever go round the outside of him ever again. He had learnt a lesson and the lesson was learnt. Was it two laps later that Raikkonen did exactly that?

The more I think about wet weather and Ferrari, the more I get convinced that the car has issues. Massa only kept the thing on the circuit because he was driving at a walking pace. Raikkonen HAD TO win and paid the price.

 

[andrewcliffe]

The gap between Kimi and Hamilton before the corner was larger than the gap after Lewis had let Kimi have back before he then attacked for the lead again. Therefore they judged that an advantage was still achieved.

The fact that Kimi then spun out and crashed is of no consequence to this.

Speaking as a McLaren fan (not a Hamilton fan) who thinks they got a raw deal over the spy scandal this is how I am interpreting things.

Lewis should have waiting longer before jumping on the gas. He was substantially faster and could easily have found his way past.

 

[Ratz]

The gap between Kimi and Hamilton before the corner was larger than the gap after Lewis had let Kimi have back before he then attacked for the lead again. Therefore they judged that an advantage was still achieved.

The fact that Kimi then spun out and crashed is of no consequence to this.

Speaking as a McLaren fan (not a Hamilton fan) who thinks they got a raw deal over the spy scandal this is how I am interpreting things.

Lewis should have waiting longer before jumping on the gas. He was substantially faster and could easily have found his way past.

We are in very muddy waters if this is the case, by what means is the advantage gained/lost measured? Distance? Rate of acceleration? Position on the track/or off it? Traction levels? And then how much is to be surrendered to negate this advantage? If you are in front, then you go behind again then surely this is sufficient, Hamilton was gaining on Raikonnen anyway so who can say what 'advantage' was gained over the 2/3 corners....

 

[carnut]

And yet it goes on..very,very few support the FIA (cf. the poll ) and some well respected and senior people are finaly speaking out

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080908173841.shtml

If this turns out good for Hamilton and McLaren-Mercedes then we may look back and have a little satisfaction !

 

[philiggy]

I personally believe it was the very well worded threat of Mercedes-Benz completely pulling out of formula 1 that perhaps made this sic person change his mind. Money talks and the threat of Mercedes walking did the trick (Not McLaren)

This is all really a very personal vendetta between Ron Dennis and two very powerful individuals and unfortunately Hamilton is a mere pawn.

Going off topic slightly I still think Hamilton should keep his mouth shut and let his driving do the talking. He tried humiliating Massa and came unstuck. This week-end he stated how NO ONE would ever go round the outside of him ever again. He had learnt a lesson and the lesson was learnt. Was it two laps later that Raikkonen did exactly that?


The more a I think about wet weather and Ferrari, the more I get convinced that the car has issues. Massa only kept the thing on the circuit because he was driving at a walking pace. Raikkonen HAD TO win and paid the price.

I think your right, money talks.

I'm not a great Lewis fan I think he's arrogant, I'd like to see him up against Robert Kubica on equal terms, that might shut him up

Its a pity more drivers dont drive as if they have to win ,it was great to watch, pity all this followed

Phil

 

[Dryce]

I'm not a great Lewis fan I think he's arrogant, I'd like to see him up against Robert Kubica on equal terms, that might shut him up

There's a special placve for this: Top Gear in a reasonably priced car

 

[recycled]

did i just see team mclaren get into a volvo after the decision?

 

[kwakdonut]

I had recently regained interest in F1, albeit because we finally had a Brit driver good enough to possibly win - but after yesterdays debacle, I am turning off again.

Simple as that.

We should all vote with our feet and watch British/World superbikes or similar instead. Far more exciting, with overtaking and bike-to-bike contact and such and not full of bull-sh1t and weirdos like F1 and the FIA!

Tough sh1t FIA, I hope you all rot.

Nuff said me thinks!

 

[Dryce]

The gap between Kimi and Hamilton before the corner was larger than the gap after Lewis had let Kimi have back before he then attacked for the lead again. Therefore they judged that an advantage was still achieved.

It's just too fuzzy. You can't expect the drivers to stop, get out, watch the video, get out stop watches and measuring tapes, and then resume with no advantage.

Giving back places gained has to be the delimiter unless it can be shown the driver deliberately cut the chicane.

What happens now this precedent is made? Any driver actually trying to race is not only taking risks with himself and his car but also a disproportionate risk with the rules.

That's not right for racing.

 

[recycled]

I'm not a great Lewis fan I think he's arrogant, I'd like to see him up against Robert Kubica on equal terms, that might shut him up

Phil

they already met in F3 euros in the same car and engine and lewis beat him

 

[prprandall51]

But it did look like Hamilton let him past just far enough to neatly slipstream him and then blast past him as a result.... Going into the corner Hamilton hadn't been that well positioned I thought?

 

[paulrstaylor]

Not sure if this has already been posted but I think it sums things up....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

 

[Dryce]

But it did look like Hamilton let him past just far enough to neatly slipstream him and then blast past him as a result.... Going into the corner Hamilton hadn't been that well positioned I thought?

It doesn't look like a good slipstreaming opportunity. More down to traction and confidence in the brakes to get the car through the next corner.

 

[Dryce]

Not sure if this has already been posted but I think it sums things up....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

This reinforces just how appallingly the stewards have behaved. This isn't a decision against McLaren and Hamilton or for Ferrari and Raikonnen.

It's a decision against racing.

 

[ckember]

this is good its the camera detail from hamiltons car

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_wwwformulamagcom-hamiltonkimi_sport

and here is another view from James Allen

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4117803,00.html

 

[ShinyF1]

And yet it goes on..very,very few support the FIA (cf. the poll ) and some well respected and senior people are finaly speaking out

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080908173841.shtml

If this turns out good for Hamilton and McLaren-Mercedes then we may look back and have a little satisfaction !

Don't tell scumbag

 

[kjay]

this is good its the camera detail from hamiltons car

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_wwwformulamagcom-hamiltonkimi_sport

and here is another view from James Allen

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4117803,00.html

Great video linky !

Just watched it about 10 times, Brilliant racing. The reaction time of Hamilton when Kimi brakes first (early in the vid) is amazing.

And to be fair, Kimi did very well to avoid hitting Hamilton and the spinner.


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[ShinyF1]

this is good its the camera detail from hamiltons car

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_wwwformulamagcom-hamiltonkimi_sport

Where does this footage come from - it's excellent

 

[recycled]

hamilton was aiming for the same piece of road that rosberg was returning into. It would have been a 3 car smash.