Anti-McLaren / Pro Ferrari strip Lewis of win

[recycled]

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

nice analysis here. to be honest lewis knowing all the aggro he gets with the FIA should have hit his brakes, and let kimi go and not cut the corner. or let kimi through for about 3 secs in front. He would have caught him anyway on that lap. the MClaren is so superior in the wet.

 

[x332race]

I have seen rumours that Kimi overtook Lewis later in the race (the BMW incident) under yellow flags...I have looked at the footage several times but could not see any flags....can anyone shed any light on this.....if Kimi did overtake on yellow flags, and it was a dangerous manouvere anyway effectivly shoving Lewis onto the grass, then Kimi shold be penalised for that

 

[glojo]

I hear what you say John but dissagree with your "someone cried foul" statement. According to the ITV F1 Site (if you believe them) No one cried foul. Certainly not Ferrari. They did not protest over the manouver but were called to give their opinion after the race.

Hopefully I have not suggested it was a Ferrari representative that raised an objection, as I have no idea who instigated the investigation. My termology might not be of the best when I talked about 'local' stewards. by local, I meant the stewards who were present at the circuit.

The manoeuvre that Hamilton executed on Raikkonen is something all drivers attempt and I'm positive smuck-face done it on at least one occasion. If we are talking about going off the circuit and gaining an advantage, then HOW MANY cars went wide on one of the bends, went onto the run off area and then gathered speed at a faster rate than those that kept to the track?? Can anyone even hazard a guess?

Did anyone else notice that wasnt just Louis with a penalty. Heikki Kovalinen also got that drive through penalty for driving into the side of Mark Webber..

Reading without due care and attention (tongue in cheek humour)

Eccles-cake was absolutely adamant about Silverstone loosing the British Grand Prix. He was adamant that the Silverstone reign is over and it will be Donnington or no British Grand Prix! Valencia allegedly built their circuit in eight months but I'm with Scumbag and cannot see Donnington being ready. I accept the circuit might be built but Eccles-cake has stated this will be a whole new project built from the grass up-wards, but I still maintain that the roads and other infrastructure might be a problem.

I'm not very with it at the moment but didn't Ron Dennis state he had spoke with the senior FIA representative regarding Hamilton surrendering his lead and Charlie Whiting stated that in his opinion the McLaren driver had correctly allowed the Ferrari to retake the lead BUT.......... Mr Whiting stated it would be up to the stewards to make the final decision! Do we believe these press reports coming from different sources?

I note one of my Formula 1 hero's and ex Ferrari driver Nicki Lauda has publicly stated this decision is one of the worse decisions he has ever heard of.

 

[ShinyF1]

How could Kimi be given a drive through penalty for hitting the force india when he himself was out of the race ?

I thought he finshed 9th?

 

[Dryce]

Well I've been waiting for the wimps at www.itv-f1.com to see how they weasel through this without rubbing up anyone too much the wrong way.

It obviously took them quite a while to get it just right.

James Allen does it quite impressively. Should be in politics.

 

[ShinyF1]

Hi Graeme,
I also object to the criticism regarding Raikkonen's wet weather driving expertise. This person is a World champion and is no slouch in any driving conditions be they wet, dry, or even ice racing. In the past I have been hugely critical of Massa but can it be that there is a problem with the Ferrari? Is there a design, or software issue that makes this car so twitchy in adverse conditions? Is Massa so bad in adverse conditions or is it a poor handling car?

Ferrari's Silverstone performance this year said all that needs to be about their on the limit wet handling..

 

[ShinyF1]

Well I've been waiting for the wimps at www.itv-f1.com to see how they weasel through this without rubbing up anyone too much the wrong way.

It obviously took them quite a while to get it just right.

James Allen does it quite impressively. Should be in politics.

James Allen should simply be 'not involved in F1 commentary'..

 

[Mudster]

I have two issues with James Allens cop out, sorry, article.

Raikkonen’s car did get fully in front of Hamilton’s – his speed across the start/finish line was 212km/h, compared to 206km/h for Hamilton – but Lewis immediately regains the momentum.

Regains momentum? That's acceleration surely. The very nature of momentum is carried through an obstacle/change of direction. Poor choice of phrase.

But the stewards wanted a clearer sign that Hamilton recognised he had gained an unfair advantage.

He let him back past, big Ron even checked with Charlie if they'd done the right thing.....Charlie He say Yes.....it appears the Stewards overruled the race director.

So what exactly would they liked to have seen? Lewis drop into the pits scribble a written apology in Italian , hop back in and off he goes again?

Quite frankly, this has the potential to be the worst PR decision in the Sport. Ferrari didn't even object, the stewards came up with this nonsense on their own accord.......****wits.

 

[x332race]

As far as I can see, Lewis dropped behind Kimi after the "event" and then accellerated past.....it was not momentum that took him past...hard to see how Lewis gained an unfair advantage, he had to slow to let an accellerating Ferrari past him and then had to accellerate to catch and pass it.

 

[Dryce]

As far as I can see, Lewis dropped behind Kimi after the "event" and then accellerated past.....it was not momentum that took him past...hard to see how Lewis gained an unfair advantage, he had to slow to let an accellerating Ferrari past him and then had to accellerate to catch and pass it.

Well it's obviously easy to see if you're a FIA steward.

And it's kind of less easy but just about possible to sort of see if you're a journalist worried about upsetting the FIA.

 

[verytalldave]

A certain car manufacturer must be paying off quite a few names by a not inconsiderable amount. Thats the bottom line.

 

[scumbag]

James Allen should simply be 'not involved in life

adjusted quote. says it all.

moving on now thanks

 

[carnut]

Yet another twist by the FIA:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080908154353.shtml

they realy dont have the best interests of F1 in mind if they use this as a loophole not to allow the appeal. They would be well advised to allow the appeal and get well away from the smell!!

 

[comports]

How on earth can the FIA give out a penalty that cannot be served. It was the last but one lap..!! How could they expect Hamilton to do a drive by stop then..!! This is only going to get worse if they stay on this line.

 

[mattc]

How on earth can the FIA give out a penalty that cannot be served. It was the last but one lap..!! How could they expect Hamilton to do a drive by stop then..!! This is only going to get worse if they stay on this line.

But the punishment must fit the crime ...he was ahead of the Ferraris

 

[comports]

Just looking at the FIA rules, the drive through penatly does not have to be taken if in the last 5 laps. In this case the 25 seconds penalty comes in..!!

 

[oldcro]

F1 has a rule book, a very big rule book. This book has thousands of black/white and yes/no rules, which reasonably easy for those involved to understand and obey.

Then there are the grey area rules, of which there are also thousands. These rules allow race stewards to interpret them as they choose with a bias from almost black as in when McLaren infringe them to almost white when Ferrari infringe them.

This situation gives the favourite teams (just one here) a chance to break the grey area rules and be treated as having made such a minor boo boo that any punishment is deemed unnecessary. But, should an out of favour team (the rest of the entrants, especially McLaren) make the slightest infringement of one of these grey area rules the stewards can impose the maximum penalty the rule book allows. Indeed it is their duty to do so if by doing so the favourite (Ferrari) team can gain an advantage.

 

[glojo]

How on earth can the FIA give out a penalty that cannot be served. It was the last but one lap..!! How could they expect Hamilton to do a drive by stop then..!! This is only going to get worse if they stay on this line.

Far be it for me to gossip but who here remembers when Ferrari were actually given a drive through penalty at Silverstone? perhaps that is why Eccles cake intends removing Silverstone?

Smuck face took this drive through penalty after the race had finished!!! He came into the pits but crossed the finish line before entering his pit box Because this was Ferrari it was deemed okay and perfectly acceptable.

John

 

[philiggy]

Every one is forgetting the bottom line, Max Mosely is in charge of the FIA and for his own reasons (I'm not even going there) he seems determined to stop Lewis getting to be world champion.

Remember if it was up to him last year it would have been driver points as well as constructor points deducted, it was only Bernies business sense that stopped that happening.

As for fair play, I think Jean Todt being involved in last years maclaren fine says it all.

Phil

 

[Ratz]

Time will tell just how far the FIA & the puppetmaster can push the viewing public and more importantly the manufacturers. In the current climate I suspect that being involved in F1 may come to be seen as an unnecessary luxury, especially given all of the recent publicity. Ultimately people are in F1 to showcase their engineering excellence and consequently make sales, if this particular marketing mule ceases to give reasonable returns - it will be cut.