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Anti-McLaren / Pro Ferrari strip Lewis of win

I love the Senna days. If in doubt just shunt your car into the competitor and that way nobody gets an advantage. It took incredible skill to avoid crashing and clearly there was more grip on the safety lanes than there was in race line (at that point in time). Hamilton was extremely careful to nurse that Maclaren to the finish. You can see how close it was to the ragged edge by looking at how easily Kimi crashed - as soon as he merged back onto the racing line (with the lateral momentum) he was gone.
 
A Total Disgrace.......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7602830.stm

So blatant it hurts...rigged and fixed. If the FIA want to ruin F1 excitement, congratulations you're well on the way. :mad:

Dear Friends,

I have just read and signed the online petition:

"Belgium Grand Prix - Lewis Hamilton was unfairly stripped of his win"

hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at:

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/belgp08/

I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider signing yourself.

Best wishes,

Bill. :mad:

ps. Personally, I think there should be a boycott on the Italian GP!!!
 
Perhaps they accept the gauling fact that you cant beat the system.

That or they are privy to some insider information that us lowly minions arent.
 
So what he should have doneis not conceed the track position and then win by more than 25 seconds, which he would have and then take the win anyway..............
 
So what he should have doneis not conceed the track position and then win by more than 25 seconds, which he would have and then take the win anyway..............

That would just have resulted in Hamilton being strung up for something else, possibly even with a higher punishment such as disqualification!?!
 
But it did look like Hamilton let him past just far enough to neatly slipstream him and then blast past him as a result.... Going into the corner Hamilton hadn't been that well positioned I thought?
Even if we say that Hamilton slip streamed the Ferrari, then so what?

Hamilton had to lift off for Raikkonen to get in front, this then means it is down to Raikkonen to put the pedal to the metal and go like stink. Whenever I have seen lead cars giving way like this then the top drivers do EXACTLY what Hamilton did. It would be wrong to start saying one car was 'x' feet in front so they must make 'x' gap. Hamilton pulled in right behind the Ferrari, thereby legitimately surrendering the lead.

At then start of a Grand Prix we see the cars pull away from the start line, but we seldom see the second placed car slipstream the lead vehicle and gain an advantage? Hamilton did well to regain the lead and it's called motor racing, something that is all so rare is this so called blue ribbon formula. I'm a huge Raikkonen fan and am saddened to see him embroiled in this fiasco.
 
I am pretty sure NONE of this is down to anything any of the drivers have said or requested. They are pawns in this game.
 
I never believed it in the past but this incident clearly show FIA pro-Ferrari bias.

From the videos I've seen it's clear LH rescinded the advantage gained by cutting the corner.
I do hope McLaren go ahead with the appeal (if allowed) as they would stand a fair chance of winning.

It's alright to change your mind, isn't it John :)
 
I was There

I have two issues with James Allens cop out, sorry, article.

Raikkonen’s car did get fully in front of Hamilton’s – his speed across the start/finish line was 212km/h, compared to 206km/h for Hamilton – but Lewis immediately regains the momentum.

Regains momentum? That's acceleration surely. The very nature of momentum is carried through an obstacle/change of direction. Poor choice of phrase.

But the stewards wanted a clearer sign that Hamilton recognised he had gained an unfair advantage.

He let him back past, big Ron even checked with Charlie if they'd done the right thing.....Charlie He say Yes.....it appears the Stewards overruled the race director.

So what exactly would they liked to have seen? Lewis drop into the pits scribble a written apology in Italian , hop back in and off he goes again?

Quite frankly, this has the potential to be the worst PR decision in the Sport. Ferrari didn't even object, the stewards came up with this nonsense on their own accord.......****wits.

I'm just back from Spa 2am this morning and straight into work so have not seen a replay of this incident yet, but saw an interview on French TV last night with Nikki Lauda and Michael Schumacher, Lauda said there was no case to answer and Hamilton did the correct thing, Schumacher totally disagreed and said that under the rules you have to let the car re pass you and get at least one car length in fron before you can start to over take it again, did Hamilton do this? I was at the wrong side of the circuit to see it first hand and the big screen did not really show the lead up to and much after the incident. Will look at it in depth tonight
 
If there is one person who's opinion I would be less interested in than Schumi's on this matter I can't think who it would be.
 
Don't taint KR with this. He's not the sort.


mmmm not the sort lets have a look at driver analysis and ask ourselves a couple of questions this will tell you how comitted KR is to the sport.

When interviewed about a passing manouvre by another F1 driver, having crashed out himself KR replied I'm not interested and did not see it I was taking a S**t (very professional)

When asked earlier this year if he had Michael Schumachers 7 times world championships in his sights KR replied no way thats far too much committment. (Glad he is passionate about his sport)

When asked why he does not get involved in off track F1 events KR replied It's not my job to promote F1, I'm a driver

Well based on the above and his performance which I will detail below I'll be amazed if he has a drive with any team next year and will bet good money he certainly won't be sitting in a Ferrari.

Lets look at KR's performance and ask another question

When did you ever see a world champion perform as bad as this? (except Damon Hill!)

Lets make no mistake KR can drive as can anyone of the drivers in F1, you don't get a seat in one of those cars unless you have some talent, and KR did display that in his early days but just like people that have gone before him (Jean Alesi) he is now getting his ass whipped by a new breed of F1 driver and he doen't like it. His driving ability in the wet can be compared to Alan Prosts Bl**dy hopeless, whilst Hamiltons can be compared to Senna's Bl**dy brilliant, there is not substitute for experience and Hamilton had that in abundance in his rain soaked karting days, driving on ice is not the same thing at all, it does teach you good car control but a car slides totaly different in the wet to on ice.

As my parting comment all I can say is Ferarri should now back Massa and show KR the door at the end of the season. If he does not get a drive next year and I hope he doesn't then "Bye Bye Kimi this sport does not need people like you"
 
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If there is one person who's opinion I would be less interested in than Schumi's on this matter I can't think who it would be.
7 times world champion, love him or loathe him I suspect he may know a thing or two?
 
7 times world champion, love him or loathe him I suspect he may know a thing or two?

yep a thing or two about ramming opponents off the track to win world titles and getting assistance from the zombie 2nd driver or in this case rubens.
As when eddie refused to play slave, he got flung out.
coincidence he never won it during those periods

He was a great driver but. lets see

94 ----- illegal car and fuel rigs / ramming hill off and ford giving him the best engine while supplying scrap engines to the rest
95------ pretty much won it fair and square
00-04-------had rubens and the FIA on his side
 
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alls fair in love & war:)

I have no doubt at all that Schumacher played the game brilliantly and exploited every avenue open to him, but as with Senna on a number of occasions this does not necessarily reflect well on him.
 
"Schumacher totally disagreed and said that under the rules you have to let the car re pass you and get at least one car length in front before you can start to over take it again,"


Where does it say that in the rules?..if it does then we all now know and the decision of the stewards is correct....but if not then its just another Ferrari biased opinion and lends more weight to our thoughts on that subject:devil: :crazy:
 

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