Beware - Watch out for this one!!

[robert.saunders]

Far too many good people:

http://www.policememorial.org.uk/Police_Memorial_Trust/NPM_Roll_GREAT_BRITAIN by Area.htm

and:

http://www.policememorial.org.uk/NationalRoll/NationalRoll.htm

 

[Carrotchomper]

and why do they always ask for your postcode when you dial the emergencies to report a crime?

Government plot...revenue...chasing motorists.

Or possibly because it's generally the quickest way to locate a scene. How many Church Roads are there in the average force area?

 

[recycled]

well the crime might not be in your area and you may not know the postcode of the place.

Thanks for answering anyway.

 

[recycled]

Far too many good people:

http://www.policememorial.org.uk/Police_Memorial_Trust/NPM_Roll_GREAT_BRITAIN by Area.htm

and:

http://www.policememorial.org.uk/NationalRoll/NationalRoll.htm

do not forget. www.killedandassaultedinnocents.org.uk

 

[glojo]

I have typed the names of these brave officers out of respect. Respect that they have made the ultimate sacrifice and my disageeing so strongly with the way we are slagging them off. My apologies to Dent Guy for going off topic.

This is from the last seventeen years and it is totally, totally irrelevant whether these brace souls were probationars or in the last week of service. Every last one of them was murdered for no other reason than they were doiing a job you so vocally criticise.

PC Laurence Brown Metropolitan Shot checking suspect
PC Robert Gladwell Metropolitan Beaten attempting an arrest
PCDuncan Clift Kent deliberately struck by stolen Vehicle
A/Sgt Simon Lilley Northamptonshire deliberately struck by Vehicle
Sgt Alan King QC Metropolitan Stabbed
DC James Morrison QGM MetropolitanStabbed attempting arrest (off duty
SC Glen Goodman QC North Yorkshire Shot checking IRA suspects
Sgt William Forth QC Northumbria Stabbed
PC Patrick Dunne Metropolitan Shot
Sgt Derek Robertson QGM Metropolitan Stabbed
PC Lewis Fulton QC Strathclyde Stabbed
PC Phillip Walters Metropolitan Shot
WPC Nina MacKay Metropolitan Stabbed
PC Jeffrey Tooley Sussex deliberately struck by Vehicle
PC Stephen Jones Avon & Somerset deliberately struck by Vehicle
PC Raja Ahmed Greater Manchester deliberately struck by Vehicle
PC Jonathan Odell Kent deliberately struck by Vehicle
PC Alison Armitage Greater Manchester deliberately struck by Vehicle
PC Malcolm Walker West Midlands deliberately struck by Vehicle
PC Bryan Moore Leicestershire deliberately struck by Vehicle in a persuit
PC Andrew Munn Leicestershire deliberately struck by Vehicle in a persuit
PC Gerald Walker Nottinghamshire Dragged by Vehicle
DC Stephen Oake Greater Manchester Stabbed
PC Ian Broadhurst West Yorkshire Shot
DC Michael Swindells QGM West Midlands Stabbed
PC Sharon Beshenivsky West Yorkshire Shot
PC Joseph Carroll Northumbria Vehicle Crash (prisoner crashed the car)
PC Richard Gray West Mercia Shot
PC Jonathan Henry Bedfordshire Stabbed

I dread to think of the numbers that have been seriously injured whilst performing their duty and this last link speaks volumes .

I remember seeing this officer on television just after I became injured. and whilst watching the documentary I told my wife this man would take his own life as he did not appear to be able to accept his condition.

That is exactly what happened, he could not cope with being paralysed and finally ended his own suffering in 1986. The person that shot him was resposible for his death just as much as if he had shot him dead but how ironic??

He was a traffic officer.

Regards
John

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Recycled your link does not work

 

[glojo]

as i can see you are getting a bit hot under the collar, i shall make a gracefull exit from this post for now until all tempers are chilled

Hopefully you and I are friends and we will never fall out. The written word does not travel very well but I am only tryong to answer your questions in a half hearted impartial manner. I dislike traffic police with a vengeance

Post codes are a must but 'city slickers' live in a bubble.

I have a friend that lives at 'The Retreat' Princetown. That's it, no street name, no house number because it is a detached house out in the wilds. Princetown covers a vast area of Dartmoor and without the code non locals would never find this residence, plus I have altered the name

You keep posting but try to be a little more impartial unlkess e are ridiculing black rats .

Regards
John

 

[fredfloggle]

I cannot see how my post is patronising, you posted a link where a police officer has been disciplined internally for something?? An internal police discpline inquiry, not a criminal court of law. No one knows what he did, the newspaper convienantly gloss over that very relevant issue but if it were a criminal offence then he would have been arrested and charged. You then say "You can find quite a few like that" but like what? What is this person guilty of and how many is quite a few?

The police service is an extremely large organisation and like any large organisation there will be a few rotten apples, but that is it... a few rotten apples. We all know about a doctor that killed old age pensioners so can we find "quite a few like that"? Or vicars that sexually assault young children. It is wrong, totally wrong to generalise and tar everyone of the same profession. Trust me when I say that I have more reason than anyone to hate traffic officers, but I would never generalise and make inflammatory claims about all traffic personnel. I had the misfortune to come up against a rotten orchard and that is it. When the going gets rough our police tend to run to-wards the danger whilst other folks tend to run in the opposite direction.

If there is a 'bent' copper that has been convicted in a criminal court then they deserve all they get and by all means name and shame them. They have betrayed the trust of the public they swear to serve. Gareth Powell being an ideal example but he was one person that brought disgrace onto a very brave section of our society who I will defend today, tomorrow and next week. It appears you enjoy behaving the way you do, but please don't object when others may disagree.

If what Dent Guy claims to have happened did happen then I feel for him and it must have been at the very least 'frustrating'. I wasn't there and have only heard one side of this confrontation and having heard one side I can only offer a one sided opinion. He was wronged.

Regards
John

Edit
Recycled the rtatio of traffic officers to beat officers is miniscule. I will try to get the Devon & Cornwall figures

Firstly "behaving" -I am at a loss to know what this might be, is it maintaining the right to my own opinion possibly?

I'll try again - one smarmy policeman is enough to ruin the perception of the public towards the police service in general .

If you go to the butcher's shop, buy some sausages that turn out to be a bit dodgy then this affects your view of the butcher's shop - you probably won't go back and it may also put you off the mystery bags for life.

Thankfully we generally have minimal interaction with officers, both good and bad, and some people have no interaction - the less you have to do with police then the less chance there is for any misunderstanding to take place. Put it another way - Mrs Jones who only goes out once a week to collect her pension probably doesn't have much bad to say out police (unless she smokes a spliff now and again) - her son who drives everyday and was pulled up on a wild goosechase for supposedly using a mobile phone when he was only scratching his ear (dread to think what would have happened if he had been scratching his Arris - accused of using the fax machine?), well he thinks they are a bunch of tossers because of the way he was treated on one occasion. It only needs to happen once.

Yes it's a difficult and dangerous job, and will only ever get more dangerous as police will without doubt end up armed, but statistics of officers injured or killed in the line of duty have nothing to do with the alleged use of a mobile phone while driving -

John your posts are getting more and like ....well I don't know but I though I'd add it for effect.

 

[fredfloggle]

Freddy-Fred, are you getting grumpy again?

Yes, I had a terrible headache.

 

[fredfloggle]

can anyone explain to me if the priority is stopping dangerous /careless driving or fining those who do it?

Very funny because i went to my PTA meeting where the headmaster informed us that he was lobbying the police to empower him to fine and clamp parents cars who park on zigzags and as soon as he gets that power, we will never have to make any more fund raising activities in the school.

I now asked him if his priority was stopping people from parking on the lines or was it clamping and collecting revenue. he did not answer but i told him he might make thousands for the year and end up with 5 dead kids. what will he prefer?

obviously he will not say that in public will he? just like some other organisations we know off.

simply put a man with a high vis jacket on the street and a cap with a notebook is what he should be lobbying for not sneaking up on people and clamping cars.
Moreover those that are new to the street and do not know about the clamps will still park there so you may have your money and then some dead people for good measure.

The headmaster should worry about teaching the bloody kids and leave the enforcement of parking control to the relevant authorities - this is where it goes all wrong, couple of traffic officers decide they are going to play Bodie and Doyle over the case of the itchy ear instead of sticking to their scope of work.

 

[GRAV888]

Thread alert !!!!!!!

This thread is in danger of being closed if members continue to use it as a battlefield.
Come on people, keep it nice.

 

[glojo]

Yes it's a difficult and dangerous job, and will only ever get more dangerous as police will without doubt end up armed, but statistics of officers injured or killed in the line of duty have nothing to do with the alleged use of a mobile phone while driving -

John your posts are getting more and like ....well I don't know but I though I'd add it for effect.

I take note of Grav's very serious warning and would respectfully point out that I consider Recycle a friend and someone I have talked to via pm's. If he asks a question then I will put myself out to answer it in a factual and precise manner. The written word is never the best means of communication but hopefully I have never criticised him for his believes. I have attempted to have a laugh about his attitude, but nothing else.

I mentioned the death of one officer rather than make any type of list but it was suggested that officers might go stale once they complete their probationary service. A fair point that needed to be either corroborated or dismissed. Not in an argumentative manner, not in a pantomime, oh yes it is type response, but a factual way which portrays a clearer picture of sacrifice.

If a butcher sells rotten meat then would I become a vegetarian or would I avoid that one butcher? Do I say all butchers sell rotten meat, or do I complain about one individual?

regards
John

 

[abdulclk230]

I don't like mobile phones, I like mobile phones used in cars even less.

I also don't like the fact that in this case a police officer was reading someone the riot act based upon supposition only - if he had seen the guy with the phone in his hand the by all means prosecute - but what is all this waffle? did he see him or not? if he is prepared to swear on oath that he did then this is surely enough? The phone proves little after the offense if the damned date/time isn't set right, or in the case of my Ipaq which forgets what it is if not charged .

Just make sure you set your phone clock a few hours out.

what i dont understand is if you do eventually manage to prove your innocence that you were not using the phone which will take probably three months of your time, in which time you will be stressed, will need to pay for a solicitor, take time off from work and make loads of calls back and forth to various parties. After all that, the officers will jsut a get a verbal warning, at most, and all beacuse you were scratching your left ear??

 

[abdulclk230]

more like if the books needed balancing yes.
if the cash count for the month was acceptable, then no.
and john if ten coppers in a van say someone did something and a member of the public said otherwise, i would believe the member of the public.
10 coppers equals 1. they will always back each other up as they are one big gang who have to work with each other against the public.

My experience (personal not hearsay)
6 coppers beating an individual in a van then claimed he assaulted them in court.
1 5ft 4 man v 3 6ft coppers and 3 fat coppers.
the judge threw the case out faster than it came in.

hehe - i like the description of the coppers - true soldiers they are..all them donuts and so little time...damn the paperwork ;-)

 

[recycled]

the road wars video about a copper chasing someone with a samurai sword has seemed to dissapear from you tube.
was he blind?
He drove straight into a parked police car even though the female partner was screaming ronnie watch out.
I guess he was blind with rage.

i see when it is one of their own, they throw people head first down hedges