Beware - Watch out for this one!!

[robert.saunders]

Power to the people and let's scrap the police service.

Citizen John

yay!!

 

[recycled]

I enjoy reading your posts because of their consistancy, they fetch a smile to my face and I just wonder who you would call if you ever needed the assistance of these folks you find so objectionable? (Don't bother answering as I can guess what you would say )


Citizen John

well it will not be the police i can assure you that.
I have tried that too many times and it never worked.

 

[recycled]

The police do not award punishment, they do not give the armed robber a conditional discharge, or award a prison sentence to the driver that is caught using a mobile phone! Sorry to be the bearer of this bad news but the police merely enforce laws, governments make them, the courts award the punishment. Lets scrap the police and let anarchy rule the mad house. Let's unconditionally believe the defendant and not even bother hearing the prosection evidence, the police are all corrupt, they are all habitual liars, they all spend there time beating up innocent members of the public and always seem to harrass the innocent motorist.

Regards
Citizen John

well you said it mate.
not me. i am not sure i had that in mind but hey, you have confirmed it.

they do not award the punishments but they do help in getting the fella convicted so there you go.
if people are not reported for something they never did, they will not get to court for nothing.(like using mobiles)
I am off to anfield now where i will be surrounded by cops so i better watch my step carefully.

see you after

 

[fredfloggle]

There is NO EXCUSE for someone to be assaualted by the police once they have been arrested and restrained. None, no excuse whatsoever and no one should defend them. If a number of police officers deliberately lie to cover up any misconduct then they should then be prosecuted and if there was a cospiracy to pervert the course of justice then hopefully that will also be investigated.

Regards
Citizen John

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2007/10/28/bent-copper-keeps-his-job-98487-20019920/

You can find quite a few like that - not surprising that a member of the public has a negative view of the police due to first hand experiences.

If I based the way in which I interacted with policemen now based upon my experiences of a bent copper years ago then it would not be entirely fair - however I am well aware what a thug in a uniform with a warrant card is capable of.

 

[glojo]

well it will not be the police i can assure you that.
I have tried that too many times and it never worked.

If only my car was as consistant

Have a merry Christmas

Regards
John

 

[Swiss Toni]

In this case I don't think that ... phones? :rolleyes: Merry Christmas :)

 

[The Dent Guy]

I feel for you and if you were scratching your ear then you must feel hard done by, especially if the one and only phone in your vehicle was in its harness, wired up for hands free operation.

Hypothetically would the police seize the phone in this circumstance? If the offender was being obnoxious, argumentative, or denied the offence then possibly. If they were unsure and thought the bad guy was telling the truth then unlikely.

Regards
John

Hi John

Well the two coppers did actually seize the phone for the duration of the event. They were playing a game with me by repeatedly asking why i thought i had been stopped. After continually saying i genuinely didn't know why, they asked me to try again and think harder. Then they asked where my phone was, to which i replied it was in my pocket and was then asked to hand it to them. From that moment on, they declared my phone as being confiscated and would be used as evidence. They were in the process of convicting me for using a mobile phone whilst driving after both having seen my cupped hand to my ear. This was the only rerason for coming down on me like a ton of bricks. They were totally uninterested in the fact it was connected hands free to the car which i demonstrated visually and audibly on the spot. In fact 95% of the incident at the roadside was me attempting to prove my innocence, which i might add was completely compliant and calm on my part - although exasperated at the thought of being done for something i didn't do.

Like i said, had i actually been on a handsfree call at the time then i wouldn't have been able to prove my innocence and would have had the full force of everything they could throw at me. For some portion of the time, the other copper was checking my car out and running checks on the radio.

All this boils down to is this......

If there is a mobile phone on your person or in your vehicle and you are seen to be touching your ear whilst on a handsfree call, then the combination of this is enough to convict you.

Bizzarre as it seems, touching your ear whilst driving is technically just as illegal as if you pointed your fingers in the shape of a gun and shouted stick em up!

 

[glojo]

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/2007/10/28/bent-copper-keeps-his-job-98487-20019920/

You can find quite a few like that - not surprising that a member of the public has a negative view of the police due to first hand experiences.

I think that post highlights how easily some peple are influenced. Has that officer been convicted by any court? Does anyone know what he actually done wrong? It appears that this was an internal affair where perhaps there might not have been enough evidence to put before the court? He has been discplined by his employer and received a very punitive punishment.

If and I emphasis IF he had stolen any money and there was sufficient proof he had done so, then he should be arrested, charged and put before the courts? For anyone to form any type opf opinion on an incident that is an internal affair speaks more about the individual than the police service, When you employ in excess of 30,000 people there will always be the odd rotten apple.

Of course there are bent\corrupt police officers and down here they are hounded out by there piers. Recently we saw a CID officer sentenced to three years imprisonment on a charge of theft, his first offence and quite rightly he received a substantial punishment. One law for them and one law for others?? I think you will find that if a police officer is found guilty of a criminal act then they will quite rightly expect no mercy from the courts. I accept I am wasting my breath with this but it passes the time of day.

regards
John

 

[crockers]

Hi John

Well the two coppers did actually seize the phone for the duration of the event. They were playing a game with me by repeatedly asking why i thought i had been stopped. After continually saying i genuinely didn't know why, they asked me to try again and think harder. Then they asked where my phone was, to which i replied it was in my pocket and was then asked to hand it to them. From that moment on, they declared my phone as being confiscated and would be used as evidence. They were in the process of convicting me for using a mobile phone whilst driving after both having seen my cupped hand to my ear. This was the only rerason for coming down on me like a ton of bricks. They were totally uninterested in the fact it was connected hands free to the car which i demonstrated visually and audibly on the spot. In fact 95% of the incident at the roadside was me attempting to prove my innocence, which i might add was completely compliant and calm on my part - although exasperated at the thought of being done for something i didn't do.

Like i said, had i actually been on a handsfree call at the time then i wouldn't have been able to prove my innocence and would have had the full force of everything they could throw at me. For some portion of the time, the other copper was checking my car out and running checks on the radio.

All this boils down to is this......

If there is a mobile phone on your person or in your vehicle and you are seen to be touching your ear whilst on a handsfree call, then the combination of this is enough to convict you.

Bizzarre as it seems, touching your ear whilst driving is technically just as illegal as if you pointed your fingers in the shape of a gun and shouted stick em up!

I think you may have meant prosecute.... the police can't convict .. that is down to the magistrate / court / jury even..


Perhaps you should have dialed 999 whilst they were there and on the handsfree call for the police....

 

[fredfloggle]

That will be why people don't call you and ask them to represent them in court then?



Is there a Police Force anywhere in the UK that gets any of the money paid in fines for use of a mobile phone?

Likewise, is there one that doesn't spend tens of thousands (of our money!) every year investigating serious injury and fatal collisions caused by folks on mobile phones?



Merry Christmas

Toni - I'm qualified in two branches of engineering - If I choose to study law I expect I can achieve reasonable success too- whilst I expect I would succeed rather than prosper, I don't doubt my ability to comprehend.

Only a question of application - if the average plod can manage to remember enough, and the average lawyer who can just about arrange a conveyance do it - I pretty damned sure, that should I choose to, I can too.


I've seen enough half baked "law advisers" perform to convince me that actually I couldn't do worse - tell me, are you a duty lawyer at some nick?

 

[fredfloggle]

I think that post highlights how easily some peple are influenced. Has that officer been convicted by any court? Does anyone know what he actually done wrong? It appears that this was an internal affair where perhaps there might not have been enough evidence to put before the court? He has been discplined by his employer and received a very punitive punishment.

If and I emphasis IF he had stolen any money and there was sufficient proof he had done so, then he should be arrested, charged and put before the courts? For anyone to form any type opf opinion on an incident that is an internal affair speaks more about the individual than the police service, When you employ in excess of 30,000 people there will always be the odd rotten apple.

Of course there are bent\corrupt police officers and down here they are hounded out by there piers. Recently we saw a CID officer sentenced to three years imprisonment on a charge of theft, his first offence and quite rightly he received a substantial punishment. One law for them and one law for others?? I think you will find that if a police officer is found guilty of a criminal act then they will quite rightly expect no mercy from the courts. I accept I am wasting my breath with this but it passes the time of day.

regards
John

John being patronising doesn't suit, I will listen to everything said to me though I reserve the right to ignore some of the more benign "advice" - try it for size.

Yes at vast expense to the public to catch a bent copper (who was very bent and very clever) - shall I give his name?

 

[robert.saunders]

Freddy-Fred, are you getting grumpy again?

 

[recycled]

Is there a Police Force anywhere in the UK that gets any of the money paid in fines for use of a mobile phone?

Merry Christmas

how would you know?

don't tell me you believe what the government and the coppers say.
the mere fact that they vigorously pursue crimes from drivers that can generate fines and turn a blind eye to non generators like burglary and drunken assaults (victim not pressing charges) simply tells me there is more to it than meets the eye.

we have coppers on here in this forum.
can anyone tell me the ratio of traffic vs regular cops in the division and traffic proscutions v normal ones?.

as any company will tell you, vigorously pursue your revenue.
we all know the lies and truths that exist in our majesties finest.
Brazilian electricians come to mind, stabbed man in 1993 is another one,
wooden table guy another one, e.t.c yes there are good coppers no doubting that, i am sure chomper is spot on, but it seems the bad ones that cause all the damage need to be sorted as well.
unfortunately i am not sure that is the case.

 

[glojo]

John being patronising doesn't suit, I will listen to everything said to me though I reserve the right to ignore some of the more benign "advice" - try it for size.

Yes at vast expense to the public to catch a bent copper (who was very bent and very clever) - shall I give his name?

I cannot see how my post is patronising, you posted a link where a police officer has been disciplined internally for something?? An internal police discpline inquiry, not a criminal court of law. No one knows what he did, the newspaper convienantly gloss over that very relevant issue but if it were a criminal offence then he would have been arrested and charged. You then say "You can find quite a few like that" but like what? What is this person guilty of and how many is quite a few?

The police service is an extremely large organisation and like any large organisation there will be a few rotten apples, but that is it... a few rotten apples. We all know about a doctor that killed old age pensioners so can we find "quite a few like that"? Or vicars that sexually assault young children. It is wrong, totally wrong to generalise and tar everyone of the same profession. Trust me when I say that I have more reason than anyone to hate traffic officers, but I would never generalise and make inflammatory claims about all traffic personnel. I had the misfortune to come up against a rotten orchard and that is it. When the going gets rough our police tend to run to-wards the danger whilst other folks tend to run in the opposite direction.

If there is a 'bent' copper that has been convicted in a criminal court then they deserve all they get and by all means name and shame them. They have betrayed the trust of the public they swear to serve. Gareth Powell being an ideal example but he was one person that brought disgrace onto a very brave section of our society who I will defend today, tomorrow and next week. It appears you enjoy behaving the way you do, but please don't object when others may disagree.

If what Dent Guy claims to have happened did happen then I feel for him and it must have been at the very least 'frustrating'. I wasn't there and have only heard one side of this confrontation and having heard one side I can only offer a one sided opinion. He was wronged.

Regards
John

Edit
Recycled the rtatio of traffic officers to beat officers is miniscule. I will try to get the Devon & Cornwall figures

 

[recycled]

. When the going gets rough our police tend to run to-wards the danger whilst other folks tend to run in the opposite direction.

regards
John

errmm in what county did that happen?
i think they do not tend to run at all. just eat bacon butties in a locked up station.:bannana:

and why do they always ask for your postcode when you dial the emergencies to report a crime?

 

[recycled]

can anyone explain to me if the priority is stopping dangerous /careless driving or fining those who do it?

Very funny because i went to my PTA meeting where the headmaster informed us that he was lobbying the police to empower him to fine and clamp parents cars who park on zigzags and as soon as he gets that power, we will never have to make any more fund raising activities in the school.

I now asked him if his priority was stopping people from parking on the lines or was it clamping and collecting revenue. he did not answer but i told him he might make thousands for the year and end up with 5 dead kids. what will he prefer?

obviously he will not say that in public will he? just like some other organisations we know off.

simply put a man with a high vis jacket on the street and a cap with a notebook is what he should be lobbying for not sneaking up on people and clamping cars.
Moreover those that are new to the street and do not know about the clamps will still park there so you may have your money and then some dead people for good measure.

 

[robert.saunders]

Very funny because i went to my PTA meeting where the headmaster informed us that he was lobbying the police to empower him to fine and clamp parents cars who park on zigzags and as soon as he gets that power, we will never have to make any more fund raising activities in the school.

Will never happen

 

[glojo]

errmm in what county did that happen?
i think they do not tend to run at all. ust eat bacon butties in a locke up station

Your posts are getting like Fred's.

I'll just list one

Police Woman shot dead
She and her crew mate did not hesitate when the call went out. She was not protecting her property, or her family, she was doing her job and perhaps your remarks are out of order?

Regarding your query about traffic officers, Devon & Cornwall Police have more roads to cover than any other police force in the UK. There are **ninety actual dedicated Traffic officers but that does not include armed response units and there vehicles.

There are 82 traffic vehicles in total, the breakdown is as follows:
Barnstaple – 7
Bodmin – 9
Camborne – 9
Exeter – 22
Launceston – 11
Newton Abbot – 4
Plymouth – 20

206 traffic-related officers
1 unit manager
102 Armed Response Vehicle officers
10 Collision Investigation officers
** 90 traffic officers
2 trainers
12 support officer

As you can see we can all be reasonable and answer sensible questions but we have gone way off topic and some of the remarks are better suited to barryboys.co

 

[recycled]

very sad story john but as you see that was a probationer, less experienced trying to get into the good books of the force and the public.
These are the good ,brave brilliant ones. As soon as the others are well into the force they slowly begin to behave like real policemen and so on.

ian broadhurst as a traffic stop if i am not mistaken.
another was involved with a car thief.
and i am sorry but i have not made any stupid remarks and what about the rest that chase traffic offences when they are not even from traffic?

as i can see you are getting a bit hot under the collar, i shall make a gracefull exit from this post for now until all tempers are chilled

 

[recycled]

Regards
John

Edit
Recycled the rtatio of traffic officers to beat officers is miniscule. I will try to get the Devon & Cornwall figures

but the ratio of traffic convictions to other ones is not.