st4
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So once again the decent working people of this country get a blow, and the scum get to carry on regardless.
Despicable.
Can we live with this ???
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So once again the decent working people of this country get a blow, and the scum get to carry on regardless.
Despicable.
st4
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Arguably you actually encourage growth in this sector of motoring society as you've provided another incentive for them to avoid being properly documented.
Or sales of masking tape and balaclava's
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Where I live some of the country roads are windy and not really wide enough for two cars -- so to have a 60 mph limit on these roads is silly.....we also have a good dual carriageway with a 70 mph limit heavily policed.....
My view is we should reduce some roads from 60 to 50 but also increase some road from 70 to 85... If safety is the issue that makes sense - a limit to match the road - but a wholesale 50 enforced by cameras (and how the hell are they going to do that over the whole country without some spy in the cab system) is just farcical - unless this the Govts plan to reduce our budget deficit....
My view is we should reduce some roads from 60 to 50 but also increase some road from 70 to 85... If safety is the issue that makes sense - a limit to match the road - but a wholesale 50 enforced by cameras (and how the hell are they going to do that over the whole country without some spy in the cab system) is just farcical - unless this the Govts plan to reduce our budget deficit....
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The trouble is that many people treat the speed limit as a minimum not a maximum! 
60 MPH on most country lanes is, frankly, crazy. I have always thought that it should be lowered to 50 or even 40.
Before I get flamed, this would only work if all good A-roads remained with a 60 limit. I also think that the enforcement idea is pointless: you'd be hard-pressed to average 50 on most of the roads I mean, due to the frequent sharp bends!
60 MPH on most country lanes is, frankly, crazy. I have always thought that it should be lowered to 50 or even 40.
Before I get flamed, this would only work if all good A-roads remained with a 60 limit. I also think that the enforcement idea is pointless: you'd be hard-pressed to average 50 on most of the roads I mean, due to the frequent sharp bends!
st4
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The trouble is that many people treat the speed limit as a minimum not a maximum!
60 MPH on most country lanes is, frankly, crazy. I have always thought that it should be lowered to 50 or even 40.
Before I get flamed, this would only work if all good A-roads remained with a 60 limit. I also think that the enforcement idea is pointless: you'd be hard-pressed to average 50 on most of the roads I mean, due to the frequent sharp bends!
No flaming from me, its more the larger single carriage way roads that I refer to. The A82 from Crianlarich thru Glen Coe, the A9 etc all can be safely travelled on @ 60mph safely (and safely quite a bit above that). On a quiet stretch of the A9 100mph+ is safe enough so long as no cars about. 50mph on that road is ridiculously slow. So I agree with you
I am all for more pragmatic speed limits on these narrower roads, but there is no need as people can figure out that the limits are too high and travel at a speed thats more appropriate. How would a 100mph limit on the road you mention change how fast you can travel on it. So whilst a lower speed limit isn't needed, its a limit not a target
What I object to is the SPECs cameras being errected everywhere making this place a big brother state, the needless expenditure and the reduction of speed on the faster roads where 60mph safe even for the most dim witted of drivers.
Common sense is of course required - we know we can't expect that from the government, so lets leave it up to the drivers. Most of us currently manage to slow down for corners and hazards without killing ourselves (perhaps some ededucation for those without any common sense would help).60 MPH on most country lanes is, frankly, crazy. I have always thought that it should be lowered to 50 or even 40.
Most A (and alot of B) road have sections were 60 is perfectly sensible - narrower and windier roads would be the ones targetted for blanket 40 limits - like already exist in places. Falmouth to the Helford has a large 40mph zone - which is fine for most of this area, just the odd sections were you get the chance to get above 40.
The trouble is that many people treat the speed limit as a minimum not a maximum!
60 MPH on most country lanes is, frankly, crazy. I have always thought that it should be lowered to 50 or even 40.
Before I get flamed, this would only work if all good A-roads remained with a 60 limit. I also think that the enforcement idea is pointless: you'd be hard-pressed to average 50 on most of the roads I mean, due to the frequent sharp bends!
Lots of country lanes - even narrow ones - near me on which >60mph is perfectly safe. It's all down to visibility - in the summer when the hedges obscure your view around a corner, you slow down (a lot). It's that simple. Straight bits where you can see there is no car coming and no junctions etc. - no need to stick to <60mph, let alone <50mph, to keep things safe.
Travelling through the Peak District - 50mph everywhere, totally unnecessary on approx 75% of the road. Result = either ignore the limit completely (not really a problem with a Sat Nav camera alert) or trundle along at 50 with a serious danger of concentration levels dropping and getting caught out when the real obstacles crop up.
And there is a very real issue here regarding preserving people's civil liberty - the right to enjoy their lives - are those of us who enjoy driving really that much more evil than those who see it merely as a means of getting somewhere?
V. frustrating all of this...
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Jerry
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In the 10 years I have been back in the UK speed limits have been reduced by stealth: a little here, a little there. In my neck of the woods the A2 out of London saw its limits decreased from 70 to 50 and on the isle of dogs the "inside" of the island reduced from 30 to 20. Loads of people ignore the 50 and 20. Most people on the A2 travel at around 60 except for the GATSO's... I could go on... Yes I will. What about the M40? Largely unpoliced in my experience evidenced by the large number of cars travelling in excess of 70mph - more like 90mph. A good 80% of the M40 traffic travels in excess of 70mph in my experience.
Most people drive according the road conditions and on country roads this varies all the time. If we looked carefully at the accident statistics rather than just applying blanket limits everywhere...
No-one advocating a net of SPECS cameras for these roads will get a vote of mine. Madness.
Les
Most people drive according the road conditions and on country roads this varies all the time. If we looked carefully at the accident statistics rather than just applying blanket limits everywhere...
No-one advocating a net of SPECS cameras for these roads will get a vote of mine. Madness.
Les
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It will never work. It will just increase revenue on the few roads that are well policed.
How many people stick to the speed limits anyway.
I would say the majority of people drive to the conditions and treat the limit more as a guide line.
As has lready been said the national limit on some country roads is not even attainable and if you do then its frankly suicidal.
You just have to use your common sense a little bit.
How many people stick to the speed limits anyway.
I would say the majority of people drive to the conditions and treat the limit more as a guide line.
As has lready been said the national limit on some country roads is not even attainable and if you do then its frankly suicidal.
You just have to use your common sense a little bit.
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Oh scuse my french, but FFS!!!!!!!! What IDIOT thought this one up???? Ugh ugh and more freekin UGH!!!!
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And that, ladies and gentlemen is the whole point.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Its another revenue machine.
This government is SO strapped for cash that they HAVE to dream up new ways to extract money out of our pockets.
So whats next?
How about increasing the VED for any car with more than 5 seats?
Dont laugh.............
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As ever this is overkill, or maybe just bad enough "proposal" to get us all up in arms.
However there are two things that need doing.
1. Reassess the most dangerous A and B roads that are single carriageway. A good example is stretches of the A46 Leicester to Newark road where there have been some nasty crashes over the years. Correct the bad road markings and junctions and reduce the speed, where necessary only.
2. Change the "SLOW School" signs that light up when schools are opening/closing, to 20mph signs that remind you that the school kids might be about.
If they did this the knee jerk reaction to reduce everywhere could be avoided and safety improved.
However there are two things that need doing.
1. Reassess the most dangerous A and B roads that are single carriageway. A good example is stretches of the A46 Leicester to Newark road where there have been some nasty crashes over the years. Correct the bad road markings and junctions and reduce the speed, where necessary only.
2. Change the "SLOW School" signs that light up when schools are opening/closing, to 20mph signs that remind you that the school kids might be about.
If they did this the knee jerk reaction to reduce everywhere could be avoided and safety improved.
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The speed limit was droped in Ireland to 50mph (80 kph) a few years back , it has made no difference really . Although speed cameras are not to common over here . Only 3 fixed speed cameras are ever working here at any given time , the rest are just empty boxes , and they can have no film left and there fore not be able to catch you .
When the limit was reduced I thaugh it was point less . If some one breaks the 60 mph limit , they will also break it if its a 50 mph limit .
When the limit was reduced I thaugh it was point less . If some one breaks the 60 mph limit , they will also break it if its a 50 mph limit .
If such a proposal ever makes it through Parliament , we ( the electorate ) will just have to use the freedom of information act to find out how our MP's voted on the issue and vote them out if they voted it in .
In fact , JC should earn his crust and gather this information then publicise lists of MP's who vote in anti-car measures .
Once MP's realised that most voters are also motorists , who are fed up with being increasingly taxed and oppressed in so many ways , they'd want to avoid voting for measures that are likely to lose them our votes at election time .
Certainly now , for me , how an MP stands on motoring issues is one of the factors I take into consideration at election time .
Isn't democracy wonderful ?
In fact , JC should earn his crust and gather this information then publicise lists of MP's who vote in anti-car measures .
Once MP's realised that most voters are also motorists , who are fed up with being increasingly taxed and oppressed in so many ways , they'd want to avoid voting for measures that are likely to lose them our votes at election time .
Certainly now , for me , how an MP stands on motoring issues is one of the factors I take into consideration at election time .
Isn't democracy wonderful ?
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Ahh but look on the bright side. You wont have to feel compelled to overtake all these slow moving caravans anymore. You'll all be doing the same speed.
Doooby doooby doooby doo......:bannana::bannana::bannana:
Doooby doooby doooby doo......:bannana::bannana::bannana:
st4
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Now now, the limit for a car towing a caravan will also probably be reduced and as a result they'll be even easier to cut up
:bannana:
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They'll need all the anpr cameras all over the place for when road pricing is introduced.
Cunning ploy innit, bring them in under the umbrella of road safety/anti terrorism, and then use them to invoice us all for our travel.
