car parks please read

[mercmanuk]

i received a parking ticket in the center of rochdale manchester on the town hall car park,the reason i didnt display the ticket i bought correctley.i should have stuck it to the windscreen and not placed it on the dashboard.i walked round and found the attendant who issued the ticket ,had the "few words" and was told to appeal.appealed and lost due to it was not displayed properley.appealed again and lost again when i was face to face with the tosser in charge for the same reason..£60

2 days later in swinton i dropped my wife in a pay and display car park,didnt park up just stopped for 30 seconds..2 weeks later i received a ticket £40 for not buying a pay and display ticket?.phoned the premium rate number to find out what was going on,was told when buying a ticket the registration number is entered into the machine,the 4 security camera's that are scanning the car park all the time read the registration numbers and compare them to the numbers entered when tickets are purchased,and cars on the car park that have not bought a ticket get issued with a none payment fine..as the car park is private property it is tresspassing if you dont get a ticket even for 30 seconds....appealed,yes you guessed it lost £40..

big brother watching over us,since the local councils have privatised the car parks we are all being shafted


BE WARNED

 

[nickg]

One day these people/organisations will receive their retribution, and I hope I am around to see it.

 

[PJH]

.....the 4 security camera's that are scanning the car park all the time read the registration numbers and compare them to the numbers entered when tickets are purchased,and cars on the car park that have not bought a ticket get issued with a none payment fine.............we are all being shafted

What if you drive around the car park and find that it's full?
You would have been on the CCTV but not paid (because it was full).

Surely the CHARGE is to PARK and not just to be IN the car park. Shafted is an understatement....

 

[A-AvantGarde]

i received a parking ticket in the center of rochdale manchester on the town hall car park,the reason i didnt display the ticket i bought correctley.i should have stuck it to the windscreen and not placed it on the dashboard.i walked round and found the attendant who issued the ticket ,had the "few words" and was told to appeal.appealed and lost due to it was not displayed properley.appealed again and lost again when i was face to face with the tosser in charge for the same reason..£60

I had a similar thing, wife parked in Cheltenham, bought a ticket it placed it on the dashboard (not on the windscreen). Came back to the car to find a penalty charge notice for 'failure to display a valid ticket'. We appealed with well worded but strong letter questioning why the parking attendent couldn't see the ticket we had purchased and suggested that perhaps it had 'fallen off', enclosing a copy (not original) of the pay & display ticket.

We sent it recorded delivery and received a letter by the end of the week saying no further action will be taken. You sometimes get lucky. Although the positioning of the ticket may be petty, I guess this is why some councils / car park operators now take digital pictures prior to issuing Penalty charge notices.

 

[willy]

I had a similar problem in private Euro carpark in Manchester, I was fined £70 for failing to display a permit despite the car park being rented out by my friend. I tried to appeal with my friend writing a letter saying that I was one of their customers but they gave no sympathy and I had to pay up as they were going to proceed with legal proceeds if I don't pay up within 7 days

 

[Rumble]

i received a parking ticket in the center of rochdale manchester on the town hall car park,the reason i didnt display the ticket i bought correctley.i should have stuck it to the windscreen and not placed it on the dashboard.i walked round and found the attendant who issued the ticket ,had the "few words" and was told to appeal.appealed and lost due to it was not displayed properley.appealed again and lost again when i was face to face with the tosser in charge for the same reason..£60

2 days later in swinton i dropped my wife in a pay and display car park,didnt park up just stopped for 30 seconds..2 weeks later i received a ticket £40 for not buying a pay and display ticket?.phoned the premium rate number to find out what was going on,was told when buying a ticket the registration number is entered into the machine,the 4 security camera's that are scanning the car park all the time read the registration numbers and compare them to the numbers entered when tickets are purchased,and cars on the car park that have not bought a ticket get issued with a none payment fine..as the car park is private property it is tresspassing if you dont get a ticket even for 30 seconds....appealed,yes you guessed it lost £40..

big brother watching over us,since the local councils have privatised the car parks we are all being shafted


BE WARNED

Point 1 - Ask them to show you photographic evidence that the ticket could not be read.

Point 2 - Which private firm is this?? Ask them for written proof of these terms, I can't believe they can get away with that otherwise i will become rich by charging every car that drove up our drive in error or just for a moment! There must be a reasonable time limit you can wait eg 5mins etc.

 

[BarryS]

The following article was in last Sundays Sunday Times. Article follows:

Times Online November 06, 2005

Council faces parking payout

Thousands of motorists could qualify for a refund after lawyers ruled a local authority did not have the right to hand out parking tickets on a privately owned car park.

Philip Jones, a businessman from Staffordshire, won an appeal to the National Parking Adjudication Service against a parking fine received in 2004 on land belonging to Stoke-on-Trent College. Legal experts believe the local authority may now have to pay back almost 7,000 parking fines handed out at five city car parks that are not on council land.



Some of the £30 fines, which total more than £200,000, date back as far as 2001 when Stoke-on-Trent city council first took over parking enforcement from the police. “Provided there was nothing unique about this case and the adjudicator has ruled that the whole system is unlawful then it would appear that all the people who received tickets would qualify for a refund,” said Bert Morris, director of the AA Motoring Trust. The ruling will not apply to all car parks on private land, warned Morris. “Each one is different and it depends on a whole variety of complex factors,” he said.

Jones, who owns a bone-china firm and appealed against a fine received by one of his apprentices, said: “The city council should have the decency to recognise this adjudication applies to everyone who has been caught in this situation and hand back the money without further cost to the taxpayer.”

Stoke-on-Trent city council is to challenge the verdict. A spokesman said: “We do not agree with the adjudicator’s decision and have requested a review.”

 

[mark.t]

I got a ticket while working in Middleton ..... working in a public house parked out side... stopped work packed up drove off ...spoke to our head office they would not pay .....I was parked illegally....so every job is kicked back where I have to park illegally .......the boffins are on the case...but ive been slack work wise

 

[glojo]

Ouch!! I can see both sides of the story concerning your first penalty, but the second one seems harsh.

We all clearly know that we have to stick these wretched tickets on our pristine windscreen's and must accept this whenever going into a pay and DISPLAY car park. Why not stick it on a back window, or nearside rear?? No the company are quite right to request it be clearly seen by their attendants. Imagine if this attendant lent onto your bonnet to try to see a ticket placed in the centre of the dashboard, and accidentally scratched your bonnet!!!
I have seen cars with quite literally dozens and dozens of these stickers all stuck together on the nearside corner of the windscreeen

Regarding your second ticket, I think that one is unfair, and go along with PJH. Sorry to hear about this, but thanks for sharing and I'll make sure 'she that must be obeyed' reads this very informative thread.

Regards,
John

 

[fuzzer]

Ouch!! I can see both sides of the story concerning your first penalty, but the second one seems harsh.

We all clearly know that we have to stick these wretched tickets on our pristine windscreen's and must accept this whenever going into a pay and DISPLAY car park. Why not stick it on a back window, or nearside rear?? No the company are quite right to request it be clearly seen by their attendants. Imagine if this attendant lent onto your bonnet to try to see a ticket placed in the centre of the dashboard, and accidentally scratched your bonnet!!!


Regards,
John

We are in despute with edinburgh city council over a ticket stuck to the offside rear window and not the windscreen.

Why oh why does everything in life nowadays have to come to lawers threatening them before they actually do anything ... grrrr

 

[glojo]

We are in despute with edinburgh city council over a ticket stuck to the offside rear window and not the windscreen.

Sorry about that and honestly... I was NOT referring to you in my post

Coincidence or what??

Regards,
John

 

[bobmedley]

Stoke City Council - Ha!!

Hope the attachments are readable - proves that the ticket does not have to be in the windscreen

Bob Medley 1 Stoke City Council 0

 

[Shude]

Hope the attachments are readable - proves that the ticket does not have to be in the windscreen

Bob Medley 1 Stoke City Council 0

Excellent work!

 

[janner]

We appealed with well worded but strong letter questioning why the parking attendent couldn't see the ticket we had purchased and suggested that perhaps it had 'fallen off'

I think that is the key. If you insist that you stuck it there but it fell off then the onus would be on them to prove that you didn't. It's not your fault if their sticky bit wasn't up to the job