Engines are identical, as confirmed by MB directly, save different fuel mapping and boost settings.
cheers, Steve
Engines are identical, as confirmed by MB directly, save different fuel mapping and boost settings.
cheers, Steve
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If you see a Boxer dog walking by, do you mind putting it in your boot and let me know how well it fits?
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The only thing I'll say about the SB, or 218 CLS in general: any motor below 350 does the 'pace and comfort with ease' concept a disservice
The 265 hp 7 speed unit was also slightly more eager and torquey than the replacement 258 hp 9 speed
The 265 hp 7 speed unit was also slightly more eager and torquey than the replacement 258 hp 9 speed
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I probably wouldn't have gone for the 220d if it weren't for the fact that I come from familiar a C250 CDI which is more closely matched to the CLS 350 (0-60 in 7.4s vs. 6.6s). I've not got a long commute to work (16 miles one way) and am hardly ever in a rush to get there (who is!).
I definitely would have gone for the 350, however things like sound (Harman/Kardon), memory seats and keyless go came further up on my list, all things considered. Yesterday the kids watched 'The Gruffalo' in the car with Logic 7 enabled - priceless!
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^ ok so that post didn't make much sense, reading it back - too much vino! 
What I meant to say was essentially that I've already had three years of ownership in a car which performance wise it wasn't too dissimilar to the CLS 350 and I didn't use the power on tap 95% of the time. This made my decision of going for the 220 engine over the 350 more palatable.
What I meant to say was essentially that I've already had three years of ownership in a car which performance wise it wasn't too dissimilar to the CLS 350 and I didn't use the power on tap 95% of the time. This made my decision of going for the 220 engine over the 350 more palatable.
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Regardless, a distinctive and beautiful car with real road presence
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Thoughts so far:
If you're bothered about other people looking and commenting then this could be the car for you. I've only had the car for a week but the amount of people turning their heads is already higher than in my old car over nearly three years of ownership (I had none in the C, in case you wondered). Partly this can probably be attributed to the colour, but general consensus seems to be that this the SB is a winning design.
I loved my previous car (S204 250 CDI) and never did I think for a minute the step up to the CLS SB would be quite so marked, experience wise. To my eye it's a beautiful car inside and out and the facelift has evolved an already great product further. It looks like nothing else on the market and has real road presence.
Starting off with the headlights, which are impressive. My old car had ILS, but this one is taking it a step further with 24 individual LEDs shaping the throw of light so as not to dazzle oncoming cars. Admittedly I've only tried it briefly but have yet to have cars flash me. In my old car I got flashed all the time.
I love the 19" wheels too - I had initially had my mind set on a S205 and these are the alloys I were going to pick. The fact that they came as standard on the SB was a bonus. The tyres are massive, 285/30 at the back, 255/35 up front, giving the car a great stance.
As for the colour - I nearly went for Iridium Silver, but my missus really didn't like it. In hindsight she was right. Not just for the fact that the white metallic suits the car - I just don't think I would have felt the same way about the car as it was the same colour as my old one. Funny thing, colours - I never used to be that fussed.
It actually worked out better in the end, not going for the silver, as this one came with a few nice extras fitted in addition to Premium Plus (360 degree camera, privacy glass, Designo paint), all of which I really think enhance the overall appearance and enjoyment of the car.
It drives nice. It drives in a straight line too, which is a bonus. My old car always pulled slightly to the left, which I understand is somewhat a trademark of the C. It actually feels sportier than my old car, something I definitely did not expect. It feels more planted round the bends, and I guess this can be attributed to the rear multi-link air suspension. Probably full air suspension would have been nice, but it wasn't at the top of my shopping list.
Speaking of shopping list. I did contemplate the 350d engine, but couldn't justify the extra outlay. My old car was a 250 CDI, which I chose over the 220 CDI and in hindsight I'm not sure the extra money was worth it, just for the extra grunt. I'd say the 220d is adequate, although admittedly it needs working harder than it's big brother. It's very smooth and quiet, which was a nice surprise, coming from of the S204.
The frameless doors are a very nice touch and suit the overall character of the car. The privacy glass is REALLY dark - passengers in the rear seat certainly won't be spotted and it also goes really well against the white I reckon. Useful for the kids in summer, too.
Interior is standard full leather but black, so not much to add on that point really. The quality of the leather used is acceptable, although obviously won't be a patch on the dearer hides available. The seat side bolsters are more supportive than those found in the S204 (AMG Sport).
I like the fact that they refrained from fitting the touchpad on top of the rotary wheel. I had a S205 on loan for a day and could not get on with it. Maybe if I were left handed it'd make more sense, but I found myself resorting to using the rotary wheel instead. It also makes for a cleaner overall look I reckon.
Strangely, I like the hand-operated gearshift stalk too. To me, this car is a real leftie choice and it seems fitting somehow that it shouldn't be without its quirkinesses. Foot operated parking brake adds further to the fact.
Dials and buttons are not dissimilar to the old C-class, and more or less identical to the E-class. Seat warmers are standard. Nice. I've seen some reviews commenting on there being too many buttons. Not so, I especially appreciate the keypad as it is tactile and useful when making calls and navigating through IVR systems ("press 1 for this, 2 for that") on the move.
The new Mercedes Telematics are impressive. I managed to tether to my smart phone (Android) as well as connecting to my home broadband. TuneIn and Mercedes Radio apps come bundled along with a few other apps; I can now listen to Swedish radio on the move, which I find astonishing. Google Maps also come pre-installed (not sure yet if you can actually download more apps, need to do more research), although I'm not sure when I'll use it as the built-in sat nav is more integrated with COMAND hence easier and more responsive to use.
I uploaded a few pictures of the 360 degree camera so I won't go on about it too much, other than again I have to mention the bird-eye view. The vehicle in the left-hand half of the screen is obviously super-imposed, but the cameras are still very impressive and must have a really wide angle as they catch so much of the cars surroundings. There are also several other views - back/front wheels can be viewed, which is useful for getting right near the curb without damaging those precious rims.
The (main) reason I went for the Premium Plus package was to get the Harman/Kardon sound system. It's immense. It initially sounded a bit lacklustre, but I wasn't put off as I had heard similar stories in the past - the speakers just need a bit of a run-in period. It plays DVDs too and the other night the kids were watching the Gruffalo in Logic 7 mode - they were mesmerised. I've been humming and arring about fitting a home cinema system but I think I'll just watch films in the car from now on instead
DAB is standard. So far I have found reception acceptable (although I have yet to make a trip further afield so time will tell!) and navigating through stations is a doddle. I can now listen to Planet Rock and BBC Radio 6!
Other toys include electric glass sunroof, memory package (fully electric seats) and keyless go. All useful extras - I'm just about getting used to not having to get my key out all the time. The glass sunroof lets a certain degree of welcome natural light in. Memory seats are good - the boy likes to sit up front and I usually raise the seat so he can see better. I've now stored his setting in memory as well as a more normal seat position, so can easily flick between the two.
Are there any negatives? It's a big car. Big and wide. The cameras go some way of mitigating it, but parking in public spaces takes a bit of concentration and as always my preference is to go for an end space, wherever possible. That said, I used to do the same in my old car so I think I have a touch of OCD when it comes to parking.
If you're bothered about other people looking and commenting then this could be the car for you. I've only had the car for a week but the amount of people turning their heads is already higher than in my old car over nearly three years of ownership (I had none in the C, in case you wondered
). Partly this can probably be attributed to the colour, but general consensus seems to be that this the SB is a winning design.I loved my previous car (S204 250 CDI) and never did I think for a minute the step up to the CLS SB would be quite so marked, experience wise. To my eye it's a beautiful car inside and out and the facelift has evolved an already great product further. It looks like nothing else on the market and has real road presence.
Starting off with the headlights, which are impressive. My old car had ILS, but this one is taking it a step further with 24 individual LEDs shaping the throw of light so as not to dazzle oncoming cars. Admittedly I've only tried it briefly but have yet to have cars flash me. In my old car I got flashed all the time.
I love the 19" wheels too - I had initially had my mind set on a S205 and these are the alloys I were going to pick. The fact that they came as standard on the SB was a bonus. The tyres are massive, 285/30 at the back, 255/35 up front, giving the car a great stance.
As for the colour - I nearly went for Iridium Silver, but my missus really didn't like it. In hindsight she was right. Not just for the fact that the white metallic suits the car - I just don't think I would have felt the same way about the car as it was the same colour as my old one. Funny thing, colours - I never used to be that fussed.
It actually worked out better in the end, not going for the silver, as this one came with a few nice extras fitted in addition to Premium Plus (360 degree camera, privacy glass, Designo paint), all of which I really think enhance the overall appearance and enjoyment of the car.
It drives nice. It drives in a straight line too, which is a bonus. My old car always pulled slightly to the left, which I understand is somewhat a trademark of the C. It actually feels sportier than my old car, something I definitely did not expect. It feels more planted round the bends, and I guess this can be attributed to the rear multi-link air suspension. Probably full air suspension would have been nice, but it wasn't at the top of my shopping list.
Speaking of shopping list. I did contemplate the 350d engine, but couldn't justify the extra outlay. My old car was a 250 CDI, which I chose over the 220 CDI and in hindsight I'm not sure the extra money was worth it, just for the extra grunt. I'd say the 220d is adequate, although admittedly it needs working harder than it's big brother. It's very smooth and quiet, which was a nice surprise, coming from of the S204.
The frameless doors are a very nice touch and suit the overall character of the car. The privacy glass is REALLY dark - passengers in the rear seat certainly won't be spotted and it also goes really well against the white I reckon. Useful for the kids in summer, too.
Interior is standard full leather but black, so not much to add on that point really. The quality of the leather used is acceptable, although obviously won't be a patch on the dearer hides available. The seat side bolsters are more supportive than those found in the S204 (AMG Sport).
I like the fact that they refrained from fitting the touchpad on top of the rotary wheel. I had a S205 on loan for a day and could not get on with it. Maybe if I were left handed it'd make more sense, but I found myself resorting to using the rotary wheel instead. It also makes for a cleaner overall look I reckon.
Strangely, I like the hand-operated gearshift stalk too. To me, this car is a real leftie choice and it seems fitting somehow that it shouldn't be without its quirkinesses. Foot operated parking brake adds further to the fact.
Dials and buttons are not dissimilar to the old C-class, and more or less identical to the E-class. Seat warmers are standard. Nice. I've seen some reviews commenting on there being too many buttons. Not so, I especially appreciate the keypad as it is tactile and useful when making calls and navigating through IVR systems ("press 1 for this, 2 for that") on the move.
The new Mercedes Telematics are impressive. I managed to tether to my smart phone (Android) as well as connecting to my home broadband. TuneIn and Mercedes Radio apps come bundled along with a few other apps; I can now listen to Swedish radio on the move, which I find astonishing. Google Maps also come pre-installed (not sure yet if you can actually download more apps, need to do more research), although I'm not sure when I'll use it as the built-in sat nav is more integrated with COMAND hence easier and more responsive to use.
I uploaded a few pictures of the 360 degree camera so I won't go on about it too much, other than again I have to mention the bird-eye view. The vehicle in the left-hand half of the screen is obviously super-imposed, but the cameras are still very impressive and must have a really wide angle as they catch so much of the cars surroundings. There are also several other views - back/front wheels can be viewed, which is useful for getting right near the curb without damaging those precious rims.
The (main) reason I went for the Premium Plus package was to get the Harman/Kardon sound system. It's immense. It initially sounded a bit lacklustre, but I wasn't put off as I had heard similar stories in the past - the speakers just need a bit of a run-in period. It plays DVDs too and the other night the kids were watching the Gruffalo in Logic 7 mode - they were mesmerised. I've been humming and arring about fitting a home cinema system but I think I'll just watch films in the car from now on instead
DAB is standard. So far I have found reception acceptable (although I have yet to make a trip further afield so time will tell!) and navigating through stations is a doddle. I can now listen to Planet Rock and BBC Radio 6!
Other toys include electric glass sunroof, memory package (fully electric seats) and keyless go. All useful extras - I'm just about getting used to not having to get my key out all the time. The glass sunroof lets a certain degree of welcome natural light in. Memory seats are good - the boy likes to sit up front and I usually raise the seat so he can see better. I've now stored his setting in memory as well as a more normal seat position, so can easily flick between the two.
Are there any negatives? It's a big car. Big and wide. The cameras go some way of mitigating it, but parking in public spaces takes a bit of concentration and as always my preference is to go for an end space, wherever possible. That said, I used to do the same in my old car so I think I have a touch of OCD when it comes to parking.
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Parking assist kicked in this morning, scared the hell out of me and I slammed the brakes. Need to try it out though - I wonder if it's any good at placing the car flush to the curb without scraping those precious alloys. Any suggestions as to how to test it in a safe way welcome
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you could take it back to the dealer and posit that there's a fault with parking assist, and would they be so kind as to test it works properly with you witnessing. with all that parking space it should be easy for them to set up a parallel parking scenario
diamond white metallic is a really lovely colour btw
diamond white metallic is a really lovely colour btw
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So glad I read this and that you are happy with the car.
I have a C250 Coupé with everything on it and I have just had enough with the 2 doors. Just makes day to day errands an issue.
I went into a dealer that wasn't my local one on Thursday and I have always liked the CLS I got there 10 minutes before they closed due to traffic. However a salesman was more than happy to spend some time with me showing me the CLS I said I was after a Diamond White one
He phoned me up at 19:30 saying he's found me one. I went into the dealer this morning and after a bit of negotiation I part exed my C250. I was happy with the price they gave me considering a small dent and purchased the CLS this morning and hopefully taking delivery in several days.
My one was the Coupé model with the Premium package. Which is what I was after anyways. I also have gone for the 220d version. I honestly cannot wait until the phone rings saying that my car is ready.
This will be my 2nd car and also the first car I have had from new
I have a C250 Coupé with everything on it and I have just had enough with the 2 doors. Just makes day to day errands an issue.
I went into a dealer that wasn't my local one on Thursday and I have always liked the CLS I got there 10 minutes before they closed due to traffic. However a salesman was more than happy to spend some time with me showing me the CLS I said I was after a Diamond White one
He phoned me up at 19:30 saying he's found me one. I went into the dealer this morning and after a bit of negotiation I part exed my C250. I was happy with the price they gave me considering a small dent and purchased the CLS this morning and hopefully taking delivery in several days.
My one was the Coupé model with the Premium package. Which is what I was after anyways. I also have gone for the 220d version. I honestly cannot wait until the phone rings saying that my car is ready.
This will be my 2nd car and also the first car I have had from new
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So glad I read this and that you are happy with the car.
I have a C250 Coupé with everything on it and I have just had enough with the 2 doors. Just makes day to day errands an issue.
I went into a dealer that wasn't my local one on Thursday and I have always liked the CLS I got there 10 minutes before they closed due to traffic. However a salesman was more than happy to spend some time with me showing me the CLS I said I was after a Diamond White one
He phoned me up at 19:30 saying he's found me one. I went into the dealer this morning and after a bit of negotiation I part exed my C250. I was happy with the price they gave me considering a small dent and purchased the CLS this morning and hopefully taking delivery in several days.
My one was the Coupé model with the Premium package. Which is what I was after anyways. I also have gone for the 220d version. I honestly cannot wait until the phone rings saying that my car is ready.
This will be my 2nd car and also the first car I have had from new
That's brilliant - congratulations on your new car! Excellent choice, I'm sure you'll be over the moon with it. Great choice of colour
There is so much to like about the CLS and the step up from the C-class is marked; it's quiet and refined and to my mind makes the C seem an entry-level model.
Don't get me wrong, the previous generation C were/are still very good cars, but you'll see what I'm trying to say come pick-up day - they're special cars
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Finally got round to trying park assist this morning. It was actually a lot less dramatic than I had anticipated. I kept my foot on the brakes throughout, as well as flicking views on the 360 camera to ensure safe distance from the curb was kept. It did a fine job of it. Certainly quicker than "manual" parking and I can definitely see me use it more now.
The only real difference was the distance between the car and curb - I'd estimate about four inches, which usually I'd try to get closer than that depending on how busy the street is and the width of it.
The only real difference was the distance between the car and curb - I'd estimate about four inches, which usually I'd try to get closer than that depending on how busy the street is and the width of it.
The distance from the kerb seems to vary, and I'm sure it's influenced by the adjacent cars as once with two cars touching the curb it parked very close too and slightly crunched the front LHS wheel when steering.
cheers, Steve
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Love that car, love this thread. Congratulations on a fine purchase and taking the time to share your experience.
220 or 250 ???? Have a C207 220d but would have preferred the 250d for that little extra go. Now MB have dropped the 250d from the e class line up so what engine is now in the C250 and CLS 250 that's different to the old E class 250 ??
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Thank you kind Sir!
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220d. They've dropped the 250d on the CLS range too. It's still available on the new C class, not sure why but possibly something to do with the new C having shed weight, which means it's more fuel efficient than the old C.
Dropping the 250d from the E and CLS ranges has probably substantially reduced average carbon footprint for Mercedes.
You could always have yours remapped if you feel it lacking a bit of oompf - after all it's the same engine as the 250d, only different state of tune so similar performance levels are achievable.
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Yes, I have considered the re-map. Waiting for the warranty to expire in 8 months.
Thanks for the heads-up, I'll keep the L plates on for the time being I think
It's only happened once so far, and at the time I had the winter alloys on which the spokes bow slightly outside the tyre, so there's no protection.
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