E63 22K loss...

[Dieselman]

Your probably right, so if someone has specced up a nice Estate version then great...

Seem all the ones people are ordering are saloons....

Hasn't Mudster ordered and Estate?

When that comes up for sale it's going to be like the rabbit going past a greyhound trap..

 

[Mudster]

Yes I ordered an Estate, I do expect these to depreciate, but I'd not expect it quite as heavily as the E class, which I'm convinced is overpriced.

The C63, its effectively the least expensive 63 in the range, my estate with nearly every option is £55,000 - the same spec E63 is knocking on the door of £80K - as lovely as this car is, it's not worth that much money IMO.

I guess it all comes down to fuel costs probably.

I'll keep mine three years.

 

[glojo]

Yes I ordered an Estate, I do expect these to depreciate, but I'd not expect it quite as heavily as the E class, which I'm convinced is overpriced.

The C63, its effectively the least expensive 63 in the range, my estate with nearly every option is £55,000 - the same spec E63 is knocking on the door of £80K - as lovely as this car is, it's not worth that much money IMO.

I guess it all comes down to fuel costs probably.

I'll keep mine three years.

Following on from Mudster's very valid point and drifting slightly off topic

The C-class 320CDI Sport estate £34,975
E-class 320CD Sport estate £40,900

We all accept there are lots of different features between the E and the C, but the differences on the 63AMG should in theory still be similar?

John

 

[mw_C32]

Hopefully the C63's will show the same depreciation levels Sorry to those who have them on order

Appology accepted.

I have looked at them on Autotrader and some are still fetching a small premium.

So hopefully the C63 will show the same level of appreciation when I get mine. For the right offer I may sell it, give me a call......

M.

 

[Mudster]

Rather than start a new thread, and in keeping with the topic of this, I asked my bank to provide some figures for the cars we're ordering this year, including the C63T - They've come up with a better deal than Mercedes, by quite a margin actually.

Now I generally just get vehicles on contract hire and hand them back then get something else, but the value (more importantly the depreciation) of the C63 made me get some alternative quotes. One of which is Finance Lease which has a balloon payment at three years:-

So, the C63T on Finance Lease 10K per annum with some options, they are projecting (or providing a GFV) of £20,653.62 at 3 years old. (list price new £55,000 with goodies)

What are the collective thoughts on that?

I might take the lease finance as I feel it could be worth more than that at 3 years with 30K on it, by quite a margin. Monthly payments also happen to be lower than contract hire by 10% or so also.

 

[mw_C32]

Rather than start a new thread, and in keeping with the topic of this, I asked my bank to provide some figures for the cars we're ordering this year, including the C63T - They've come up with a better deal than Mercedes, by quite a margin actually.

Now I generally just get vehicles on contract hire and hand them back then get something else, but the value (more importantly the depreciation) of the C63 made me get some alternative quotes. One of which is Finance Lease which has a balloon payment at three years:-

So, the C63T on Finance Lease 10K per annum with some options, they are projecting (or providing a GFV) of £20,653.62 at 3 years old. (list price new £55,000 with goodies)

What are the collective thoughts on that?



I might take the lease finance as I feel it could be worth more than that at 3 years with 30K on it, by quite a margin. Monthly payments also happen to be lower than contract hire by 10% or so also.

Hi Mudster,
I have not really thought about finance, can you PM me the details? Don't worry if you dont want to.

Thanks
M.

 

[Mudster]

Hi Mudster,
I have not really thought about finance, can you PM me the details? Don't worry if you dont want to.

Thanks
M.

PM me your email address and I'll email over the quotes I got for the various different types from LloydsTSB Autolease.

 

[glojo]

Yes I ordered an Estate, I do expect these to depreciate, but I'd not expect it quite as heavily as the E class, which I'm convinced is overpriced.

The C63, its effectively the least expensive 63 in the range, my estate with nearly every option is £55,000 - the same spec E63 is knocking on the door of £80K - as lovely as this car is, it's not worth that much money IMO.

I guess it all comes down to fuel costs probably.

I'll keep mine three years.

I would love someone to come up with a reason why the E-class has such a large mark-up. It is plain weird and I hate mysteries.

Regards
John

 

[Mudster]

I would love someone to come up with a reason why the E-class has such a large mark-up. It is plain weird and I hate mysteries.

Regards
John

I'd hazard a guess it's priced on what people will pay or expect to pay for what is a premium product.

Also the C63 is squarely aimed to compete with the RS4 and M3 so it's priced was governed by it's competition, I'm sure MB wanted to charge £10K more for the C63 but market forces wouldn't have stood for it. Plus I feel the C320CDi is easily £5000 overpriced in comparison to smaller engined models, although it does have a high level of standard equipment.

The E63 is competing with the M5 and RS6 - both of which are price around the same level, so really it comes down to what you're expecting to pay for a product rather than what it actually costs to build.

 

[glojo]

I'd hazard a guess it's priced on what people will pay or expect to pay for what is a premium product.

Also the C63 is squarely aimed to compete with the RS4 and M3 so it's priced was governed by it's competition, I'm sure MB wanted to charge £10K more for the C63 but market forces wouldn't have stood for it. Plus I feel the C320CDi is easily £5000 overpriced in comparison to smaller engined models, although it does have a high level of standard equipment.

The E63 is competing with the M5 and RS6 - both of which are price around the same level, so really it comes down to what you're expecting to pay for a product rather than what it actually costs to build.

I understand that and it may well be right be the price hike bears no relation to the differential regarding other models.

It is highly probable your right but I just wish there were some hidden option.

Note to self
Does the C63 have airmatic as a standard feature?

Regards
John

 

[m_chalubowicz]

I would love someone to come up with a reason why the E-class has such a large mark-up. It is plain weird and I hate mysteries.

Regards
John

I think there is no connection between price and costs. We are off course talking about huge companies such like Mercedes.
It is all about how much we would accept to pay.
Imagine sales to go down to zero for say 6 months.
What would be the price then? Would they keep the price?

 

[Alfie]

I would love someone to come up with a reason why the E-class has such a large mark-up. It is plain weird and I hate mysteries.

Regards
John

In my experience the E class is better put together than the C class.

When we fit components to an E class the quality of the fittings and the attention to sound deadoning, the fit of the trim, less plastic (especially) is markedly superior on the E class. I suspect this has something to do with it also.

As lovely as the C63 is, there is still an awful lot of dull plastic in it, especially the dashboard. Personally I would get mine covered in leather and nicely stitched like an SL is ;-)

 

[Mudster]

As lovely as the C63 is, there is still an awful lot of dull plastic in it, especially the dashboard. Personally I would get mine covered in leather and nicely stitched like an SL is ;-)

Actually that's a fair point, fortunately there's over £20,000 available in cost saving over the E63 to do what you like to the insides.....or anywhere else for that matter.

 

[A210AMG]

Yes but the C class will always be a little merc..also against the E class.

It depends what you want and what your budget is.

Its good to have a choice.

 

[Mudster]

Yes but the C class will always be a little merc..also against the E class.

It depends what you want and what your budget is.

Its good to have a choice.

Very true, although this is the first C class estate I've ever remotely liked in design, they have been particularly poorly designed up to this model and I always preferred the look of an Audi A4 Avant, however they've now got the C class estate correct.

 

[glojo]

All the above points are very valid, it is just so strange to see the differences in price between the C320CDI Sport, E320CDI Sport and then the C63 compared to the E63. I just find it really, really strange and feel it must be more than just engine. The E63 in my tiny mind, must have more things added than just the engine???

I must try and re-examine the lists.

John

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

No airmatic on the C63 as far as I'm aware which may account for part of the price differential.

However competitive pricing is likely to be the real reason for the relative bargain price of the C63 - the C32/C55 (and probably the C43) were significantly more expensive than it's obvious rival - the BMW M3.

I haven't got exact figures handy right now (have them somewhere I think) but at launch the M3 was £38k-ish and the C32 was £45k-ish. The M3 would probably always sell in greater numbers, but the difference in price was means you'd really have to want the AMG to justify the premium.

If AMG are serious about becoming sharper more focussed performance cars, the key segment that will help them turn around this perception is that of the compact saloon, where the M3 has always been king and the RS4 the leader of a big cult, and the C-AMG the eccentric choice.

AMG have done what they always have done - top-trumped the M3 on power (and even the RS4 this time too) - and stuck to a proper auto-only transmission. But they've sharpened the package, and changed the price point. The C63 certainly seems to have made a bigger splash than it's predecessors, so they've done something right.

 

[Mudster]

No airmatic on the C63 as far as I'm aware which may account for part of the price differential.

However competitive pricing is likely to be the real reason for the relative bargain price of the C63 - the C32/C55 (and probably the C43) were significantly more expensive than it's obvious rival - the BMW M3.

I haven't got exact figures handy right now (have them somewhere I think) but at launch the M3 was £38k-ish and the C32 was £45k-ish. The M3 would probably always sell in greater numbers, but the difference in price was means you'd really have to want the AMG to justify the premium.

If AMG are serious about becoming sharper more focussed performance cars, the key segment that will help them turn around this perception is that of the compact saloon, where the M3 has always been king and the RS4 the leader of a big cult, and the C-AMG the eccentric choice.

AMG have done what they always have done - top-trumped the M3 on power (and even the RS4 this time too) - and stuck to a proper auto-only transmission. But they've sharpened the package, and changed the price point. The C63 certainly seems to have made a bigger splash than it's predecessors, so they've done something right.

Exactly, and the reason I feel (and hope seeing as I've ordered one) that the C63 won't depreciate like the other AMG models, well not quite as quickly anyhow. It's priced competitively and is quite sought after, that's a good combination for strong residuals.

 

[mw_C32]

No airmatic on the C63 as far as I'm aware which may account for part of the price differential.

However competitive pricing is likely to be the real reason for the relative bargain price of the C63 - the C32/C55 (and probably the C43) were significantly more expensive than it's obvious rival - the BMW M3.

I haven't got exact figures handy right now (have them somewhere I think) but at launch the M3 was £38k-ish and the C32 was £45k-ish. The M3 would probably always sell in greater numbers, but the difference in price was means you'd really have to want the AMG to justify the premium.

If AMG are serious about becoming sharper more focussed performance cars, the key segment that will help them turn around this perception is that of the compact saloon, where the M3 has always been king and the RS4 the leader of a big cult, and the C-AMG the eccentric choice.

AMG have done what they always have done - top-trumped the M3 on power (and even the RS4 this time too) - and stuck to a proper auto-only transmission. But they've sharpened the package, and changed the price point. The C63 certainly seems to have made a bigger splash than it's predecessors, so they've done something right.

Exactly, and the reason I feel (and hope seeing as I've ordered one) that the C63 won't depreciate like the other AMG models, well not quite as quickly anyhow. It's priced competitively and is quite sought after, that's a good combination for strong residuals.

I like your arguments, but I dont want a "big" car like the E, I need more than 2 seats so the SL/SLK is out, the C just fits the bill niceley. Don't delude yourself it wont depreciate like a brick ...it will...every car I have bought new has lost thousands, I know it, I expect it, I wont be suprised by it, and best of all I hope I'm wrong this time too....

M.

 

[Mudster]

The E63 is also just bigger than I need, it is a lovely car though, the C class just fits the bill perfectly as an estate, plus it's a whole chunk of money less too.

With the depreciation I was really referring to the eye watering amount of money the 65's lose and pretty much any of the models upwards of £80,000.

If I was in the market for that kind of value vehicle, quite frankly it would be a Bentley, Aston Martin or Ferrari not a Mercedes.

I do expect the C63 to drop money quicker than a gambler at a roulette wheel.....but it won't hurt anywhere near as much as the E63.