ebay injector removal socket?. will that do?

[Olivier]

My car is a E300TD 1997, will this socket do the trick?
Thank you.
Olivier
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MERCEDES-BENZ-FUEL-INJECTOR-1-2-DRIVE-SOCKET_W0QQitemZ180321527486QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Hand_Tools_Equipment?hash=item180321527486&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

 

[AANDYY]

try and do that link again, it's not clicky linky type.

 

[Olivier]

here we go again:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....m=180321527486&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008

Better with Explorer, dunno whty it's not doing well with firefox?
Cheers

 

[Dieselman]

That's the correct one. It means you can remove the injectors without removing the cam cover.

 

[Olivier]

Then I can just remove the injectors with simply removing the blak plastic cover and the leak off pipes, then unscrew the injectors with this socket?
Is that correct?
I was worry as I thought it needed some "gap" to be able to "go around" the tit of the leakoff pipes while positioning the socket(hope I make sense ).
Cheers.
Olivier

 

[Dieselman]

You need to remove all the plastic clips holding the injector pipes down then when you undo the pipes from the injectors you can remove the injector by pushing the pipes sideways a bit.

If you do remove the injectors remember to buy new leak off pipe and heat shields to go underneath.

Why do you want to remove the injectors.?

 

[Olivier]

I burned a new set of glow plugs in less then 6 month and was send a PDF of beru saying it could be bad athomisation (spelling).
My new "ish" injectors were all biased/ shaved. Now I just put a new set and I it'll be cheaper to get my injectors refurbished ( about 30 pounds each) then getting another set of glows at 60 pounds every 6 month .
I did a Moly diesel purge though right after, pure direct from the bottle.
What I could do first is look at the glow number 1 ( without removing the bloody manifold ) and see his state.
Maybe the Moly help, maybe not enough.
This is why I like to have a tool to have the option .
Cheers
Olivier

 

[Dieselman]

I agree about having the tools.
What brand of glowplugs were they, only trust Bosch and Beru, the rest don't last.

Poor injector spray could well have burned the plugs but the neat injector cleaner will have sorted that.
A quick check of poor atomisation is excess smoke and uneven firing under light load.
Try revving the engine to 1500-2000 revs slowly in neutral, if there is any cylinder imbalance it will really show as the injectors are only delivering a very small quantity of fuel.

 

[Olivier]

This is good news about the Moly then, especially I used 2 cans, this could have sort me out.
The glow plugs were NGK. The problem was the state of the tip. woohoo! really bad and only after 6 month...
Got Beru now. Well, number 1 is still an NGK as I had it already.
I try the rev tomorrow but I think so far it's OK as I never felt an imbalance.
Thank you.
All the best.
Olivier

 

[Dieselman]

The tips always burn a bit anyway, only be bothered if the sheath burns right through.

 

[Olivier]

this was the state of them, I posted it already. I thought that after only 4/5 month ( not even 6 month) it was a bit scary...

 

[Olivier]

Silly billy. Just posted the same picture twice on earlier. Here is another angle

 

[Dieselman]

That's about normal, maybe a little bit heavily burned but not much. There is quite a bit of coke on them though, normally they are just dusted until they fail.

 

[Olivier]

I changed the glow plug relay as well. I was not working properly. This might have helped a bit. They were not working aswell, then no heating to clean themself?
Or will that be the EGR? Soon hopefully it'll be out and dusted ( shoud I say)
Olivier

 

[GuyFawkes]

I dunno where you lot get your disinfo about diesel and injectors.

I just bought a 86 300d, first tankful straight diesel and burn it at 75 on the motorway... second tankful chuck in 2 litres of ATF and open the rack up wherever possible to clean out rings crown and tracts.... third tank chuck in 2 litres of 2 stroke same job as second tankful, then change fuel filters and drive normally.

1/ There isn't a damn thing liquid wise that you can pump through an injector which will "clean" or restore it in any way whatsoever... though there are no shortage of additives to separate you from your money.

2/ injectors can only be restored by a diesel fuel injection specialist, find a local truck mechanic and ask them where they take their stuff, full service for injectors runs about 15 to 20 quid an injector. This is a PHYSICAL service.

3/ "Worst case" scenario for an injector is cold starting and then ticking over, this is the minimum volume / duration injection event, if there is ANY problem with atomisation you'll hear the "knock" of a drippy injector.

4/ Identify the "knocking" injector by slackening the high pressure pipe just enough to leak at tickover, in my particular engine for example (hydraulic tappets) this is a useful way of identifying what is making a noise, a noisy tappet won't go away.

5/ NEVER EVER EVER EVER even consider breaking (parting) high pressure line on injectors AND pump without having to hand a copious supply of SPOTLESS red plastic caps to seal everything.

My engine starts cold with no time allowed for glowplug QED there is bugger all wrong with it, old diesel adage, if it starts cold with no fuss it ain't far wrong.

On my engine IF I was going to do the injectors, given that there isn't much wrong with the motor, I'd do the pump at the same time for an extra 150 quid, and pull the head, decoke, check valves, guides, tappets, and replace the duplex chain.

HTH

 

[Dieselman]

He hasn't got worn out injectors and speaking from having an experience of knowing I had good injectors tested at my local Bosch centre then finding that after running on veg oil for short journeys only, there was knocking, smoke and imbalance which really shows on these engines at 1500 rpm.. partially due to the EGR valve operating.

So before removing the injectors and having them tested I ran neat cleaner and found the problem was solved.

So, if it wasn't the fact that the injectors were cleaned out, what could it have been.? I'm being a bit sarky there as it was a dribbling injector.

I think the questioner has been running svo so may have some minor coking.

You appear to have read far more into the post somehow. Obviously worn injectors need new pintles and seats, but they aren't worn.

If there is nothing that can help clean the fuel system why did you run the first two tanks with atf and 2 stroke oil.?

 

[Olivier]

What dinsinfo?
this is why we have a forum, to learn, are we?
ATF worked well apparently but the old one, type A ATF and I don't think there is any lefy on the market, the new one has to many additives and not mineral.
Yep, if I got the injectors out they'll go to a specialist or got them replaced as exchange. I'll do the disemssemble myself. This will be all OK then. Fingers crossed.
Cheers.
Olivier

 

[GuyFawkes]

Tell me something, chances are, being an MB owner, you also own a little yellow Karcher pressure washer.

Bearing in mind the pressures are ballpark similarish...

Do you think running soap or additive as well as water through the Karcher cleans the high pressure pump and wand and nozzle?

Or do you think maybe it cleans the patio?

I said in my post, I added ATF and then 2T as one off treatments on a new to me car prior to new filters, to clean the piston crowns / rings / tracts and thus establish a baseline.

 

[Number_Cruncher]

In the background, it was I who had supplied the Beru data to Olivier.

For glow plugs to burn out so quickly suggests that there might be a problem with the injectors.

The advice I gave via PM was to remove the injectors and have them tested for opening pressure, spray pattern, and leakage.

I don't think any of us can comment upon whether the injectors are just dirty, or worn until they are tested.

If the outcome of these tests is that some injectors need new nozzles, this is still small beer - you can have all 6 new nozzles fitted, and the injectors set up for the price of 3 tanks full of fuel - the mpg improvement will quickly pay this back.

 

[Olivier]

What disinfo?
This is a forum and this is where we get info, opinions, talks, are we?
The old ATF trick was good with type A ATF, the new ATF is not recommended as it's not mineral and as too many additives.
I'll take the injectors myself, this is why I wonder about the tool, as I canno afford a full work to be done on the car. Hopefully I'll get them reconditionned or get a set of exchanged but all done proffessionally.
Never heard about the 2 stroke oil or fuel mixed, not sure which one you were talking about but why not. I was told in Mauritius to use a tank of oil lamp petrol ( parafin), this apparently clear it all, I wouln't try this on the mercedes though.
What is a knocking noise? I wish I knew and be able to recognise it, put my finger into it if I can say.
Thanks for the imput.
Olivier