Don't have a problem with any of that.
It is this concept of a fuel additive that miraculously restores injectors that I take issue with.
If I sold such additives I might venture a different opinion.
ebay injector removal socket?. will that do?
Don't have a problem with any of that.
It is this concept of a fuel additive that miraculously restores injectors that I take issue with.
If I sold such additives I might venture a different opinion.
Hello Number_Cruncher,
Thank you for the help, this is why I need to tool to take them apart and see if all is OK or not as you suggested, but first I'll check glow number 1 ( easier access) to see if it's OK or burned as well.
All the best.
Olivier
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Nope. Something a bit better than a little yellow Karcher, thanks..
What actually happened was that after running it for a bit and leaving it overnight, next start on was perfect and has remained so.
Coincidentally fuel economy has improved as well as starting smoothness. It was missing slightly on cold starts, now it's perfect.
This is not a restoration that I was did with the MOLY purge, just a cleaning. I think it might have help though. Call it the placebo effect perhaps, but it might have work.
The extraction of one glow to look at it will tell.
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And who said it would miraculously restore worn injectors..
NOT ME.....but he's already run it anyway and it certainly won't do any harm.
Is someone selling additives.?
Dude, fuel additives can clean the piston crown, precup, rings, all sorts of stuff.
What fuel additives won't do is restore an injector.
Please think, stop treating the injector as the only horse in town.
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Anyone know where I can get one of these from in the UK a bit cheaper that an MB dealer hopefully 
Not too sure what its official name is?
Not too sure what its official name is?
How about those? Are they cheaper?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....m=190268640250&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009
Item number: 190268640250
Olivier
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....m=190268640250&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009
Item number: 190268640250
Olivier
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Ah ha!, nice one, all my searches pulled up radio valves - that looks to be the one, cheers.
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MB are expensive for tools unless you can drop on one that advertised on ebay.
Will prob keep it as two MB's to do but not straight away, I'll let you know how i get on.
Are you going to bid on the injector socket tool? if not I will bid as mine is too thick to fit over the injector without taking the cam cover off and trumpets.
Will prob keep it as two MB's to do but not straight away, I'll let you know how i get on.
Are you going to bid on the injector socket tool? if not I will bid as mine is too thick to fit over the injector without taking the cam cover off and trumpets.
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Crickey guys, you're not thinking about undoing injector pipes, injectors and delivery valves are you....the whole place will go into meltdown..
No, the delivery valves might be for another day
I put some serious pressuer into the pump at one stage when I switch the return at the filter to be able to move the car as I move the whole pipe. To much pressure were coming into the pump, had a few leaks but it's all good now, this is why I might need the socket one day
I put some serious pressuer into the pump at one stage when I switch the return at the filter to be able to move the car as I move the whole pipe. To much pressure were coming into the pump, had a few leaks but it's all good now, this is why I might need the socket one day
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>Dieselman, the delivery valve seals are the last things that I havent checked, could be the cause for non starting according to Bosch service agent as allowing fuel back not giving enough pressure to crack the injector open?
>Oliver, I dont think its worth postage sending things back and fourth, best to build up your own tool kit especially if you intend to keep the vehicle.
I dont really need it but if your not going to bid i'll throw a low one in
>Oliver, I dont think its worth postage sending things back and fourth, best to build up your own tool kit especially if you intend to keep the vehicle.
I dont really need it but if your not going to bid i'll throw a low one in
Ok David,
It's for me, I'll bet on it as I need it. If the glow check is bad I need my injectors to be reconditioned and as I am thinking going south soon, I need it to run clean. Sorry, I should say " The South" how it's writen on the road signs. I like this a lot,not South but The South. Important.
Night night to all. Long live the injectors!
Olivier
It's for me, I'll bet on it as I need it. If the glow check is bad I need my injectors to be reconditioned and as I am thinking going south soon, I need it to run clean. Sorry, I should say " The South" how it's writen on the road signs. I like this a lot,not South but The South. Important.
Night night to all. Long live the injectors!
Olivier
Crickey guys, you're not thinking about undoing injector pipes, injectors and delivery valves are you....the whole place will go into meltdown..
I probably shouldn't say this, all things considered.
Last pukka recession, a friend of mine opened a garage workshop.
You rented a bay with ramp and power sockets and air.
You could also rent tools.
You could also rent him or his mechanic...... this was usually a few hours in...
He told me he *loved* it when they rented the air spanners.
Second best was the diesel owners breaking (as in opening, not as in wrecking) the high pressure fuel system.
Third best was the two foot long screwdriver / prybar.
"Best" as in that's when he really started making money.
Renting the bay / ramp / leccy / was barely break even.... for the first hour or two
Bay charges were per hour, clock has 24 hours >;^)
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It sounds like you're giving it the old 'Only a diesel mechanic can work on a diesel engine' twaddle. Bit 1970's Red Robbo isn't it.?
Anyone with reasonable skills and observance of general cleanliness will be ok, it's just a piece of machinery.
I don't personally know anyone that has had an issue when working on a diesel, but do know of a 'professional diesel fitter' forgetting to refit the governor properly after a lorry pump service.
At least one thing, he found just how high that engine could rev....
Maybe only amateurs should work on them..
It sounds like you're giving it the old 'Only a diesel mechanic can work on a diesel engine' twaddle. Bit 1970's Red Robbo isn't it.?
Anyone with reasonable skills and observance of general cleanliness will be ok, it's just a piece of machinery.
I don't personally know anyone that has had an issue when working on a diesel, but do know of a 'professional diesel fitter' forgetting to refit the governor properly after a lorry pump service.
At least one thing, he found just how high that engine could rev....
Maybe only amateurs should work on them..
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No, not a bit of it.
Having said that, wannabe mechanics messing with injection systems and glowplugs etc are a thing of joy and future income to professional mechanics.
Seeing as you appear to be someone who likes a fight and putting words in people's mouths, here it is straight.
The wannabe ALWAYS vastly over estimates their own competence, fools rush in etc, and what usually happens is this.
In this example, matey has two choices, one, he can buy this fancy tool and hopefully pull and replace the injectors as is, or two he can not buy the tool and do a bit more dismantling.
What do you save by not dismantling, a cheap gasket and an "extra" 20 minutes labour.
What do you lose, you have to buy a tool, an easy job gets fiddly, and fiddly jobs are where your time goes and also where you hear "oops"
What is the point this wannabe mechanic pulling injectors and then getting them serviced, and then, because he AINT a diesel fitter, he will use literally less than surgically clean hands when reinstalling the injectors.
Dirt way too small for you to see or feel is more than enough to put him in a worse place than he is now, and do we see anyone telling people playing with diesel systems (or auto boxes or hydraulics) that the cardinal rule is that cleanliness IS godliness? Nope, lots of talk about pouring snake oil in the tank to service the injectors.
My position has been very clear, does the motor start easy from cold? If it does, there isn't a lot wrong with it, certainly not enough to encourage a wannabe mechanic to break (as in breach) the seals on the high pressure fuel system and allow dirt in.
If/when it ain't perfect after he does his injectors the FIRST question the diesel fitter is going to ask (on hearing the problem / story) is "who did the injectors?" and "me" is the most expensive answer you can give, because then the pro can't take anything for granted.
How many copper washers are under the "bad" injector? none? one scarred one? two? one and some dirt?
My mate used to work in a motorcycle garage, basically all jap bikes took 12 mm plugs, basically there were only three reaches, you wouldn't credit what proportion of people fitted the wrong plug, and this was WAAAY before there was an internet to help them.
"How can it possibly need a new engine! All I did was change the plugs! You are a bunch of thieves!" in response to the third patient attempt to explain why all 4 pistons were holed and all 4 rods bent and the head warped.
Hyanes, bless their little cotton socks, with their spanner rating system, put injectors at 3 out of 5 spanners, described as "fairly difficult, suitable for competent diy mechanic" which doesn't sound like the OP, BTW this rating is doing it the proper way, dismantling other bits first for access, no special tool crap.
Spill timing the pump, which you end up doing when some numpty with dirty hands makes a balls up of what should be a fairly easy job, and you have to strip and clean the entire high pressure system, haynes rate at 5 spanners, "very difficult, suitable for expert diy or professional"
KNOWING which procedure to do in response to a set of symptoms isn't in the book, if his engine starts from cold, doesn't "knock" on cold tickover ( more of a transit van sound for the OP) and doesn't shake then he ain't got injector problems.
Shoving literally unassayed liquids into the fuel tank, declaring that they are "fuel" and then simply eliminating that "fuel" from the radar is just plain ignorant.
Have you seen the guy's sig?
WVO 85%, 15% Diesel and Acetone 1%
Whatever it is, it doesn't qualify as A2 grade diesel fuel oil.
Fix the bloody car on pump diesel and establish a known good baseline BEFORE you start messing around like some medieval alchemist trying to run your car on strained cabbage juice.
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