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F1 2019

Well this F1 race may well be very interesting,ok we have a mixed up first three rows on the grid,but we still have the big lap time difference down the field,and this venue is a short track and so we are going to get leaders passing other cars right up to around 7th position,I think there will be problems,I would suggest all the teams will be trying to use the safety car if they can and pit stops will be vital.
 
Superb drive from MV and CL and a very good result from Norris too. It'll be a shame if any penalty is given and IMO it should happen before then end of the race instead of all the nonsense of afterwards. Max was the better man today and if you look at where Gasly is it makes Max look even better if both cars are equal.

Edited to add has anyone else noticed how Brundle sounds exactly like how Benson writes (the BBC F1 chief writer). He really gets on my 7i7s now where before he was quite impartial. Oh and why do they have to keep mentioning the age of some of the drivers all of the time. It's annoying or I'm getting old :D
 
Well Max did win! The right result for both the race and F1.
Mercedes didn’t win today due to the heat, circuit and penalties. But you can hardly say they got the car wrong if they have won 90% of the races so far.....and Lewis has had his championship lead trimmed by just a few points.:rolleyes:
 
Yep, great drive from Max today. On balance good that no penalty was awarded. Charles had already given the corner away before the contact and having done so might have benefitted from opening the steering to get a better run around the outside of the sausage kerb. Again easy to say from the armchair.

Disappointing day for MB.

Seb nearly losing it in the last corner was all a bit clumsy and unnecessary.

Great drive from Lando again.

Good race, actually quite entertaining.
 
I enjoyed that race!
Excellent drives from both MV and CL'C.

Finally, a Honda powered car wins a GP after re-entering F1. Great to see, and I'm all for different engine manufacturers getting wins.
And how bad are the Williams cars! Sad to watch their decline and proof that even with a decent (Mercedes) engine, if the aerodynamics are wrong, the car is uncompetitive.
 
If memory serves, both McLaren and Honda were propping up the back of the grid just a couple of years ago.
Just as sure as someone will be winning, one team has to be last.....and it changes. In 2012 Pastor Maldonado won in a Williams, how good was that car?!
 
grober said:
The shared powerplant issue poses the interesting question as to whether these "supplied engines "* are indeed as good as the ones run in the teams who manufacture them. With the proposed widening of the number of engine suppliers now apparently a dead duck its a question that perhaps deserves further scrutiny?
F1 engine manufacturers must share parts with new entrants
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A huge issue and significant difference between the teams is their respective aero packages and the impact that each design has on cooling the powertrain and brakes versus drag versus downforce.

If F1 cars are able to deliver 1000hp at full chat, that's about 750kW. Thermal efficiency is currently claimed as being up to 50%, so that means 750kW going to the wheels and 750kW needing to be dispersed. To put that in perspective, that's equivalent to the heat from 250 3-bar electric fires! The heat energy under braking is much higher than that and again needs to be managed. So in short, although the right aero package is key to grip levels and high speed stability, cooling with low drag is just as important.

Principle difference between McLaren and Red Bull, that is very likely to be helping the Honda engine deliver stronger performance in the RB is a certain well known aerodynamicist.
 
Difficult to get a straight comparison on cars from different seasons , but point taken. It would appear that what makes Mercedes faster doesn't help with their "engine " cooling under certain driving conditions ! One is left wondering also if the crucial temperature parameters are battery/hybrid related rather than IC since experience of battery cooling in normal EVs would indicate they have a very narrow operating band . When teams speak about "turning down the engine" do they mean the electrical part of the powerplant I wonder? Or maybe its the energy recovery system.
F1 removing MGU-H for 2021 engines a 'backwards step' - Mercedes
 
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grober said:
Difficult to get a straight comparison on cars from different seasons , but point taken. It would appear that what makes Mercedes faster doesn't help with their "engine " cooling under certain driving conditions ! One is left wondering also if the crucial temperature parameters are battery/hybrid related rather than IC since experience of battery cooling in normal EVs would indicate they have a very narrow operating band . When teams speak about "turning down the engine" do they mean the electrical part of the powerplant I wonder?
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With F1, everything is run right to the limits, so for sure the battery/hybrid system will be no different. From what I understand, batteries work best at 35-40 degC, keeping them in this operating window can't be easy.

The Mercedes cars were clearly marginal on thermal management this weekend. Had the ambient temperature been lower, they may have had a bit more wick to wind up.
 
GeeJayW said:
The Mercedes cars were clearly marginal on thermal management this weekend. Had the ambient temperature been lower, they may have had a bit more wick to wind up.
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I have it on good authority from an insider who knows ;) that over the winter Mercedes successfully tested their engines at higher sustained operating temperatures than they used in 2018.

This has allowed them to tighten the aero packaging and reduce the cooling area on the 2019 car, hence improving drag performance. However, it would appear that the conditions in Austria were either very close to, or over, the boundary condition that Mercedes consider safe, hence the reduction in performance to eliminate the risk of an engine failure and the associated DNF and potential for penalties.
 
grober said:
The shared powerplant issue poses the interesting question as to whether these "supplied engines "* are indeed as good as the ones run in the teams who manufacture them.
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The factory team presumably gets the benefit of priority in terms of optimisation for their package.

It has been notable that Renault's works team typically didn't get as much out of their engine as the customer team Red Bull. And that again seems to be the case this year with McLaren.

I can't see Ferrari ever coping psychologically with a customer team consistently beating it. Mercedes might be in that position as well. In which case over and above the optimisation/knowledge advantages of the factory team - you maybe choose your customers carefully as well.
 
st13phil said:
I have it on good authority from an insider who knows ;) that over the winter Mercedes successfully tested their engines at higher sustained operating temperatures than they used in 2018.

This has allowed them to tighten the aero packaging and reduce the cooling area on the 2019 car, hence improving drag performance. However, it would appear that the conditions in Austria were either very close to, or over, the boundary condition that Mercedes consider safe, hence the reduction in performance to eliminate the risk of an engine failure and the associated DNF and potential for penalties.
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Very true! What makes a racing car really quick is the best L/D. or lift to drag ratio. This is fairly easily altered by the rake and front rear wing settings within a prescribed window.
Cooling impacts not only the drag but at least as much the downforce. Any holes you cut in the car (for instance for cooling) tend to bleed downforce away.
For both the tyres and the power plant cooling capacity, this last weekend was just outside the Mercedes design window.
But, they have had the downforce advantage on just about every other circuit this year.
The other really big area of aerodynamics which F1 teams now spend huge resources on is the ability to maintain the best L/D throughout all the operating conditions of ride height, rake and yaw.
At Bentley Racing this was referred to as 'aerodynamic torque' as it allows the driver to have instant, constant and consistent access to load force on the tyres for grip.
The old race engine builders adage of 'Power wins arguments, torque wins races' applies here!
 
Mactech said:
At Bentley Racing this was referred to as 'aerodynamic torque' as it allows the driver to have instant, constant and consistent access to load force on the tyres for grip.
The old race engine builders adage of 'Power wins arguments, torque wins races' applies here!
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I guess that if Mr Newey had a Ferrari engine in the back of the Red Bull he'd have a few more options up his sleeve as regards nuancing the aerodynamics and chassis to make better use of that extra power than Ferrari.
 
Dryce said:
I guess that if Mr Newey had a Ferrari engine in the back of the Red Bull he'd have a few more options up his sleeve as regards nuancing the aerodynamics and chassis to make better use of that extra power than Ferrari.
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Is Newey still 'the man'?
He hasn't produced a competitive car since the NA era - which would be more accurately described as the blown diffuser era, which Newey developed and nailed.
The currently dominant car is the only one that eschews Newey's raked chassis configuration.
 
Bellow said:
Is Newey still 'the man'?
He hasn't produced a competitive car since the NA era - which would be more accurately described as the blown diffuser era, which Newey developed and nailed.
The currently dominant car is the only one that eschews Newey's raked chassis configuration.
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I'm figuring that Mr Newey is still up there. The RB as a car has IMO consistently performed above its engine ranking over the last few years - so my belief is that RB chassis and aero package is therefore disproportionately better than Ferrari or MB chassis and aero to make up the power unit deficit.

That said it's clearly not just Mr Newey in the design department. And there's a lot of impressive grey matter across the F1 sport. And yes other teams seem to have gone along with his higher rake chassis but RB seem to be better at it. RB has sufficient gap to the other teams that it is not in the rest that the others are best of. And RB seems to be generally kinder on its tyres. RB is more of a race car than a qualifying car these days.
 
That's a shame, it would be interesting to see what he could do with the current car, instead of the rubbish he had for the last few years
 
Alonso isn't missed, F1 is still just as 'exciting' as it was when he was leaving a trail of discord in any team he deemed fortunate enough to deserve his presence.
 
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