F1 2019

[Dryce]

The way I saw it was Vettel committed down the inside only for Max to make an illegal 2nd move.

Seriously?

I'd be the first to point at MV on this sort of thing gven his previous. But not on this occasion. I think SV made a misjudgement on braking - he's the weakest of the top drivers in close racing by some margin and has also demonstated petulance in the past.

 

[Nat]

That was one of the best races this season and a great result for LH and to pull that fastest lap out of the bag must have made Bottas think what does he have to do to beat him. Yeah, Bottas initially retook the lead but I'm pretty sure LH would have taken him at some other stage and without the help from the safety car.

This made me laugh as is pretty typical of Danny Ric - F1 en Movistar+ on Twitter

Vettel needs to give his head a wobble and get back on track.

 

[grober]

Lewis is complaining the British F1 GP is competing for viewers with the Cricket World Cup final which England are involved in, and is on live free to air (C4), and the mens singles final at Wimbledon.

He has a point, but the 2019 calendar was arranged way back in 2018. I doubt any thought was given to Wimbledon or the cricket at the time.

That point was amplified by yesterday and todays media coverage which focused on the Wimbledon mens' final and the Cricket. The home GP at Silverstone won by a British driver in a works team car based in the UK barely got a mention! This on top of the new deal struck between the BRDC and F1 for the British GP to continue at Silverstone.
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ps Former F1 Driver David Coulthard is the new President of the BRDC following the death of Paddy Hopkirk.

 

[grober]

On a weekend seemingly dominated by Cricket and Tennis its perhaps apposite to describe Sebastian Vettel' s current problems as someone whose "Timing has gone off" ---- he's playing the shot alright ------- just not at the right time!

 

[flowrider]

The way I saw it was Vettel committed down the inside only for Max to make an illegal 2nd move. Vettel then locked under braking and rammed him. It wasn't deliberate or even that much of a mistake so not totally Vettel's fault. Either 2nd moves are illegal or they are not, otherwise the driver behind will never know when to commit.

Even Vettel accepted it was his fault, there was no 2nd move.

 

[grober]

I have to apologise for "killing off " Paddy Hopkirk in my last but one post- I misinterpreted demise for his passing whereas he is merely stepping down!
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[neilrr]

Some terrible camera work on Channel4. Is it possible the director isn't into F1? WTF is the point of cutting away to see the crowd reaction when LH passes VB when the pass is not completed? V. annoying.

Showing pit stops is also an annoyance. 99.9% of the time there's nothing to see.

 

[190]

Even Vettel accepted it was his fault, there was no 2nd move.

I believe there was a slight 2nd move. What's changed is the stewards are getting more relaxed about a strict interpretation in the interests of more exciting racing which you presume they have been asked to do and I suppose is a good thing. Leclerc acknowledged that the stewards changed views allowed him to race with max in the way that he did.

Some terrible camera work on Channel4. Is it possible the director isn't into F1? WTF is the point of cutting away to see the crowd reaction when LH passes VB when the pass is not completed? V. annoying.

Yes the director got that wrong by assuming the pass was going to stick. I might of missed it but the other critical bit of information I could have done with sooner is to know that Lewis was going for a 1 stop by changing to Hard tyres.

 

[Bellow]

I believe there was a slight 2nd move. What's changed is the stewards are getting more relaxed about a strict interpretation in the interests of more exciting racing which you presume they have been asked to do and I suppose is a good thing. Leclerc acknowledged that the stewards changed views allowed him to race with max in the way that he did.
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Why? Did they previously make a bad decision that they have come to regret?

For how much longer will 'all four wheels off the track' be acceptable? Happened at least once with Cl'C and MV yesterday. Had there been a wall there, that would have moved everyone behind them two places up.

 

[grober]

In terms of what gets to the FTA screens of F1 Channel 4 viewers , what the Ch4 director can show is possibly dependent on the picture feed they get from the Sky /F1 official coverage. I suspect that feed may differ qualitatively from that enjoyed by Sky Subcribers. In theory the British Grand Prix was "live" in so far as it was in "real time" --- as was the race preamble and analysis which would be content generated by Channel 4/Whisper films. Much like the "recorded highlights" which Channel 4 has to work with for other GP coverage it may be dictated by Sky/F1 to an extent.

 

[Stratman]

The race pictures are what is known as 'host coverage'. It used to be provided by the broadcaster of each host country, but Bernie reckoned he could make a few quid and do it himself. This race coverage is provided to all broadcasters and hence is the same for them all and beyond their control. The only differences would be the talking heads interviewing each other before and after the race.

 

[Dryce]

For how much longer will 'all four wheels off the track' be acceptable? Happened at least once with Cl'C and MV yesterday. Had there been a wall there, that would have moved everyone behind them two places up.

The 4 wheels issue seems to be quite variable and crosses over with the 'gaining an advantage' isue.

A wall isn't a solution. Street circuits with barriers and safety cards are not good for racing. OTOH a wall is a nice absolute 'rule'.

I suspect in the modern technological world of DRS and energy recovery that a solution might be to have a car's DRS or energy recovery system disabled for two laps each time a car leave the track. But that means a driver forced off by another ends up disadvantaged - though I guess arguably forcing somebody into a wall is rather more disadvntageous to their race prospects .....

 

[leef44]

That was one of the best races this season and a great result for LH and to pull that fastest lap out of the bag must have made Bottas think what does he have to do to beat him. Yeah, Bottas initially retook the lead but I'm pretty sure LH would have taken him at some other stage and without the help from the safety car.

This made me laugh as is pretty typical of Danny Ric - F1 en Movistar+ on Twitter

Vettel needs to give his head a wobble and get back on track.

Did Hamilton cunningly play a strategy to get fastest lap?

He is called in but does not want to risk it.
Bottas pits, gets relatively fresh boots and makes fastest lap, knowing he hasn't got Hamilton to contend with, he doesn't push to the limit.
Hamilton makes his fastest lap on the last lap. By the time Bottas has worked out that this is Hamilton's plan, it is too late, Bottas has already started cruising on the last lap.
Hamilton had managed to save enough tyres to feel that it was possible to get fastest lap so perhaps he planned this strategy.

If so, all credit to him

 

[Dryce]

Hamilton had managed to save enough tyres to feel that it was possible to get fastest lap so perhaps he planned this strategy.

If so, all credit to him

The race report in Motorsport Magazine presents details of LH's strategy as regards tyres which is plausible. The term cunning is definitely appicable to the overal strategy and his initial approach at the start of the race.

I doubt fastest lap was something he was planning - it was just a demonstration of how much he had in reserve on his tyres at the end and opportunistic - and maybe a bit of luck as regards Bottas who didn't manage to capitalise on the fresh tyres.

 

[grober]

Think it was quoted yesterday at the tennis about Arnold Palmer when asked about how much luck played a part in his winning golf championships and he replied The more I practice the luckier I get."
In the opposite vein would be the premier league striker who said "If I had been in the six yard box when that cross came over I would have scored for sure"

 

[Bellow]

The 4 wheels issue seems to be quite variable and crosses over with the 'gaining an advantage' isue.
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Yet a controversial enforcement of a rule a few races earlier was justified on the basis of precedent and presented as unavoidable.
The next time the 'all four wheels of the track' rule is implemented should be interesting. On what basis will it be? Not precedent obviously.

 

[Bellow]

I doubt fastest lap was something he was planning - it was just a demonstration of how much he had in reserve on his tyres at the end and opportunistic - and maybe a bit of luck as regards Bottas who didn't manage to capitalise on the fresh tyres.

His hard tyre had durability (possibly aided with LH's driving) but to take FTD on the hardest of all the compounds available against his team mate on the softest of compounds.... VB must just weep in private.

 

[Dryce]

His hard tyre had durability (possibly aided with LH's driving) but to take FTD on the hardest of all the compounds available against his team mate on the softest of compounds.... VB must just weep in private.

I wonder if VB already had his head down due to the combination of the strategy difference (LH extending his run and going for hard compound) and the safety car. Was VB brought in early to cover CL in the Ferrari - or did he take more out of his tyres than LH. Traditional logic is that the a car leading another should be easier on its tyres - particularly fronts - because it is clean air. So if LH managed his tyres better while following VB *and* pushing him hard then that further confirms LH's pre-eminence. He seems to be able to judge the aerodynamics better when the wind starts moving as well.

 

[Bellow]

It would be easy to say LH was 'lucky' with the timing of the safety car but, VB for whatever reason(s) chose to pit when he did and the reason(s) LH could and did go longer was...

I wonder if VB already had his head down due to the combination of the strategy difference (LH extending his run and going for hard compound) and the safety car. Was VB brought in early to cover CL in the Ferrari - or did he take more out of his tyres than LH. Traditional logic is that the a car leading another should be easier on its tyres - particularly fronts - because it is clean air. So if LH managed his tyres better while following VB *and* pushing him hard then that further confirms LH's pre-eminence. He seems to be able to judge the aerodynamics better when the wind starts moving as well.

....down to his skills as alluded above.
This season, LH appears to be capable of judging his level of 'effort' to apply in any situation such that he makes minimum demands on himself and the machinery until absolutely necessary, when he then invariably lifts it all to a higher plane. One with which VB has no answer.

 

[Bellow]

What of Eddie Jordan's predictions?
Mercedes engines for McLaren - which would put them where they were before Ron Dennis couldn't stomach being a customer team and jumped in bed with Honda.
Verstappen at Mercedes and Hamilton at Ferrari?
The thing is, like or loathe him, EJ has an uncanny knack of calling the future correctly. Has he done it again?