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Well given past history, i'm guessing even if found guilty it would be a championshipship points removed and/or fine - of course the issue comes if the drivers knew about it and knew it was illegal - personally i think this is the end for Renault - they have been a bit quiet about the new reg's and the future of the sport from '21 - i suspect next season will be thier last and they will dump F1 and focus on E sports.
 
Lewis is either pulling his corn rows too tight or his crash helmet is too small and he has squeezed his brains out.

FFS Lewis I can think of no one less suited to comment on global warming than an F1 driver.

If pretty much anyone else employed by one of the biggest car brands in the world sponsored by a massive petrochemical company uttered those words they would be fired.

Shut up and drive.
 
Petrol Pete said:
Lewis is either pulling his corn rows too tight or his crash helmet is too small and he has squeezed his brains out.

FFS Lewis I can think of no one less suited to comment on global warming than an F1 driver.

If pretty much anyone else employed by one of the biggest car brands in the world sponsored by a massive petrochemical company uttered those words they would be fired.

Shut up and drive.
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I agree there is really very little 'green' about rushing around in circles all over the globe in multi-million £ vehicles.
But the spectators tend to spend even more on their travel as a cumulative sum.
The only redemption is the fact that the sport is both technologicaly innovative and educational.
If the technical gains in fuel consumption filter down to the masses there may just be some justification for it.
 
How much of the 'improved' mpg of the latest F1 cars is offset by the incredibly wasteful tyre regime? How much energy is used, and CO2 produced, by manufacturing and transporting the hundreds of tyres used each race weekend?

Back of an envelope tells me F1 hybrids get about 6mpg (180 mile race, 110kg fuel, 0.8 specific density of petrol, some left in tank at end of race)

A Cessna 182 cruises at about 165mph (greater than F1 average race pace) at 10 imperial gallons per hour, so 16.5mpg, carrying four people and some luggage.
 
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'Sport improves the breed' is true and most of the sports I like involve internal combustion engines . But if I wish I could sell my Mercedes change which sports I support and spout green nonsense to all and sundry, Lewis Hamilton - until he hangs up his helmet - on the other hand can not.
 
perhaps the reason for his instagram post about "giving up on it all" is someone pointed out to him about what we all talked about above ....
 
Stratman said:
How much of the 'improved' mpg of the latest F1 cars is offset by the incredibly wasteful tyre regime? How much energy is used, and CO2 produced, by manufacturing and transporting the hundreds of tyres used each race weekend?

Back of an envelope tells me F1 hybrids get about 6mpg (180 mile race, 110kg fuel, 0.8 specific density of petrol, some left in tank at end of race)

A Cessna 182 cruises at about 165mph (greater than F1 average race pace) at 10 imperial gallons per hour, so 16.5mpg, carrying four people and some luggage.
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I don't disagree with the main points you make but to my mind the improved F1 mpg is less about fuel consumed in a race and more about improving the technology for roll out to the roads. As I've said previously, I think that day has passed and the challenges for road transportation are such that they require their own research and solutions - not crumbs from the F1 table.

The logistics of F1 are a blight and the public see tyres being flown half way around the world then discarded after a few miles and what they make of that I can't imagine - nothing positive I'd guess. But as Mactech alluded - the spectating crowd are a logistical CO2 burden of some magnitude. What then is the future for sport/music/etc events? Do we just stay at home and watch via a screen? The energy costs of the internet will have to be addressed if that is our future.
 
bob6600 said:
It's long winded - Renault have been accused of using a system that set a pre-determined brake balance at certain parts of the track (I think). Racing Point produced a 12 page dossier to the FIA and so renault are now going to defend it with pages and pages in their defence. Will be a long one! Both the Renault cars' had their steering wheels confiscated at the end of the last grand prix
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My guess. Renault adjust the rear brake system as the car goes round the track. On a normal lap then actuations of the brake pedal will be fairly predictable. If they tie the changes in the adjustment to the actuations of the brake pedal - so each major brake application causes the rear brake system to be adjusted for the next corner - then you can construct an argument that this is legal because the driver's brake actuations are giving the driver control over this - and the sytstem would also require the driver be able to reset or overide it - reinforcing that argument.

However being able to construct an argument isn't the same as winning it - because such a system is sailing close to the wind. One might have assumed that they would construct a suitable query for the F1 technical and obtain a response that they would be appy left them in the clear them before going ahead with it unless they were on very firm ground.
 
Stratman said:
How much of the 'improved' mpg of the latest F1 cars is offset by the incredibly wasteful tyre regime? How much energy is used, and CO2 produced, by manufacturing and transporting the hundreds of tyres used each race weekend?

Back of an envelope tells me F1 hybrids get about 6mpg (180 mile race, 110kg fuel, 0.8 specific density of petrol, some left in tank at end of race)

A Cessna 182 cruises at about 165mph (greater than F1 average race pace) at 10 imperial gallons per hour, so 16.5mpg, carrying four people and some luggage.
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Different vehicles doing a different job.

If the Cessna had the same thermal efficiency as the current F1 cars, it would use half the fuel it uses now. If the F1 cars had the same drag as the Cessna, they would be faster in a straight line. As it is they can pull lateral G that might cause the Cessna some grief. I'd be confident that an F1 car would get around Silverstones somewhat faster than the Cessna.
 
DSM10000 said:
I would have stopped to change my undercrackers!
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I don’t think anyone who’s never ridden a motorcycle has an appreciation of quite how violent a high-side is. Extraordinary riding (and luck) !!!


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st13phil said:
I don’t think anyone who’s never ridden a motorcycle has an appreciation of quite how violent a high-side is. Extraordinary riding (and luck) !!!
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I've experienced a very minor high side effect and it scared the pants off me.

For the non motorcyclists a high side is caused when the rear wheel skids or slides sideways so that it is no longer in line with the front wheel in the fashion of a speedway rider. If the rear wheel should then suddenly grip it wants to follow the front again so snaps back in line violently potentially causing the rider to be thrown upwards and off the bike. Hence a high side as opposed to a low side when the both wheels lose grip and the bike slides on it's side. Low sides are generally much safer way of parting company with the bike.

I suppose technically a high side is when the rider is actually thrown off, so I haven't experienced a high side, only the snap back that potentially causes one.
 
With a low side the rider follows the bike down the road. With a high side the bike chases the rider, a much less desirable state of affairs!
 
And we all thought Marc was the catch meister - seems younger brother has the same genes - and a year or three back before Alex hit the scene, Marc said his younger brother was quicker than him!!
 
st13phil said:
I don’t think anyone who’s never ridden a motorcycle has an appreciation of quite how violent a high-side is. Extraordinary riding (and luck) !!!


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Or how violent a 'tank slapper' can be unless you've experienced one of ye olde 16" front wheel Fireblades!
 
More4 right now.

McLaren Technology Centre (MTC) in Woking. :banana:
 
What a let down! :(

I thought it was an hour long programme on the MTC. It was just the first 10 minutes. :wallbash:
 
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