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Yep. The classic ‘Lost in translation’ loophole. 
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I’m struggling to see how what Renault did is different to the driver manually adjusting the balance whilst driving around in circles at high speed...
That said, it appears a simile case to when Audi had a button in their Le Mans endurance racers. Push it once to flash the headlights several times rather push a button several times..
That said, it appears a simile case to when Audi had a button in their Le Mans endurance racers. Push it once to flash the headlights several times rather push a button several times..
The FIA have carefully not told us what the system is or does, but obviously consider to be enough help to the driver to be a driver aid.
In golf is a caddy a ‘driver aid’ or still just a VW van.
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As far as I can decode from what's been said, Renault 'pre-programmed' the bias changes for each corner into the ECU, thus relieving the driver of the extra workload and allowing him to concentrate on something else, which other drivers could not do. The FIA decided this is an unfair advantage.
It would take a very innovative system to do this without being time or distance dependant, which would have been illegal under the technical regs.
As I said, there are some remarkably smart people in the motorsport world.
As I said, there are some remarkably smart people in the motorsport world.
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Though I've never been directly involved in Motorsport per ce, there are definitely some very smart folk in it. Some of the engineering solutions are bordering on art.
I think if I was looking to do something on brake bias, I'd be trying to make automatic dynamic brake bias adjustments based on the physics (through multi-axis accelerometers, relative and absolute wheel speed, actual road speed and so on) rather than pre-program for a specific place on the track. If possible I'd be considering bias across the axle too as well as fore and aft. So the driver applies braking effort and this is distributed to the wheels in a smart way on an individual basis. Probably a rubbish idea, but hey ho.
Excellent! I think you've just re-invented one of the type of systems that were used a couple of decades ago as part of the ABS systems in DTM racing! Those car would almost drive themselves.
Sadly, ABS and all the position dependant systems are now banned in most classes of racing.
GT3 cars can still use a primarily Bosch road car system. When those fail or are not set up correctly it normally ends in a big accident because there is no way the drivers alone car do what the ABS can do braking all the way to the apex of turns.
Behind the black 'lump' next to the throttle pedal sits the ABS distribution unit. You can just see the two individual hard lines going to the rear brakes down the right sill in the Bentley GT3 car. You can also see the master cylinders and RF air jack just above the throttle....
The F1 regulations aim to make the driver as much in control of the car as possible!
We have ended up with the odd situation in F1 where the brake bias can, and is, automatically adjusted to account for the harvesting of energy on the rear axle, but no ABS allowed.
So all the tools are in the car to do that job, the regulations have to ensure you don't use them!
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Starts to sound like an ESP system that controls brake bias rather than brakes.
The technical regulations have attempted to be quite strict in not allowing separation of brake application across the axle - only allowing separation between front and rear.
Yes, I'm sure you're right and that anything resembling an ESP system is nominally excluded by the F1 regulations. The difficulty the regulators have with the current hybrid cars is allowing the teams to develop systems that can simultaneously manage the effects of energy harvesting and front-rear brake bias, and then control the way they do it so as to avoid the introduction of ESP by stealth. Renault seemingly crossed the line somehow.
I'd be pretty confident that the other teams have thought about this too and may even have something similar in play.
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According to the BBC a large no of the Mexico GP pitlane crews have come down with "Montezuma's revenge" including Toro Rosso's Pierre Gasly
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Interesting Qually.
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Unbelievably poor configuration of the barrier on that last corner. 
Unbelievably poor configuration of the barrier on that last corner.
Agreed - that must have really winded Bottas - and he was actually hobbling when he emerged from the car.
Will be interesting to see if they can repair the car and whether the medics will let him race today.
If not - Hamilton becomes world champ, by default.
Yep, without the HANS device, that could have been a very nasty shunt. VB will probably be a bit sore today.Unbelievably poor configuration of the barrier on that last corner.
Also, Max again demonstrated his lack of respect for the rules by not slowing in the last sector under double waved yellows and VB's car clearly stuffed into the barrier ahead of him. Been given a three place grid drop. (Should start from the pit lane IMHO).
Mexican GP: Max Verstappen loses pole after grid penalty
Ferrari really need to take a close look at their pit wall team.....
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agreed.
And wouldn’t it be nice to hear a post race team radio from LH: “Great job team, sorry I doubted you”
Enjoyed the race. Shame the last 10 laps didn’t provide the excitement we were hoping for.
and great to see ‘The Torpedo’ still got it, taking The Hulk out on the last lap.
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I think there is a bit of 'fake news' with respect the radio messages we get to hear, and I'm sure that keeping the tyres alive for 47-laps looked like a tall order from sitting in the car...
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Don’t get me wrong, I love Lewis but he seems to question the teams strategy a lot. The very team that have given him the opportunity to win all but one of his WDC’s.
He never seems to hold his hands up and say ‘sorry I doubted you guys’.
He never seems to hold his hands up and say ‘sorry I doubted you guys’.
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Good result for Merc and LH. I thought the Ferraris were going to walk it. Shame about Norris too.
I can't understand how Verstappen was voted driver of the day. He done well to get where he did but he can create his very own disasters.
I can't understand how Verstappen was voted driver of the day. He done well to get where he did but he can create his very own disasters.
No worries. I'm just saying that if he did say that on the radio, would we get to hear it?
In the end if he moans and wins races, that's probably better than doing an Alonso, i.e. Moan about everything and not win races either.
