Facelift W212 UK Pricing

[Mercator]

An aspect of the UK model/spec line up that I particularly dislike is being forced to take large wheels and skinny tyres on the upmarket specs.

I was in Austria skiing last week and noticed most E class Mercs were on wheels not bigger than 17" with sensible tyres. As observed in the pothole thread our rural roads just aren't suited to these 18/19" wheels.

I also regret the lack of light coloured interiors. I don't agree they are for old men, after all most red Ferraris have a sand or beige interior.

 

[gIzzE]

Would you honestly order an E500 for £75,000??

To what?

Genuinely interested.

Knowing that in 3 years time it would be worth no more than £30k, would you pay that for one?

 

[gIzzE]

I also regret the lack of light coloured interiors. I don't agree they are for old men, after all most red Ferraris have a sand or beige interior.

Isn't that because most owners are middle aged when they can afford them?


I am with you on this, when I saw the beige interior was back on the facelift I was thrilled.
However, seeing a couple of pics I now get the feeling it is just seats and door card inserts.

 

[gIzzE]

To what?

If you are asking would I buy a E500 E class Elegance if it were available NO ---Wouldn't fit in the driveway/garage and don't need a car that big. Would I have bought say a M276 300 V6 version of my present car had it been available YES.

The C350 is still available in Germany too.
But that is €59,000 with leather, comand, bluetooth and xenons.

I would be interested how much Mercedes UK save overall offering a small select range of cars, obviously build slots for certain models play the biggest part in saving money on production, and they have to guesstimate how many units of each they will sell.

 

[grober]

Genuinely interested.

Knowing that in 3 years time it would be worth no more than £30k, would you pay that for one?

If I could afford to buy a car costing £75,000 I doubt if I would be concerned? What's the depreciation curve like on a E63?

 

[gIzzE]

If I could afford to buy a car costing £75,000......

Isn't that the point though.

Mercedes E Class 20 years ago cost the same as a 2 bed terrace house.
Yeah, they were exclusive.

But we are now working on the numbers game, to pay for the development costs of a new car, the set up of the factories and the production they can't knock out a handful of cars that cost the same as a house.

Or maybe they could? I don't know.

 

[C240Sport97]

Surely that is the other way round?

When it was €1.45 to the pound cars in Europe looked a lot cheaper than when it is €1.20 to the pound?

car prices in the UK and the EU have risen broadly in line with each other in local currency terms in the past 5 years.

1. a £50000 car 5 years ago (Euro at 1.45) would have been Euro 72500
2. assuming that car now costs £55000, at Euro at 1.2, would be Euro 66000
3. if that same car 5 years ago, was say Euro 67000 (assuming that the UK was more expensive by Euro 5500), it would now be Euro 73,700 (applying the same 10% increase)
4. Our UK car is now magically Euro 7,700 cheaper.

The wonder of FX

 

[C240Sport97]

do it properly and lease a standard E63 Estate (standard spec includes keyless go, COMAND, panoramic roof, DAB radio, Harmon Kardon etc etc):

2 years, 20k lease from Freedom contracts:
6+23 at £571.19 + £180 (doc fee):
total cost of £16,745 and £698 p/m

Amazing deal for a £75k car.

 

[grober]

The C350 is still available in Germany too.
But that is €59,000 with leather, comand, bluetooth and xenons.

I would be interested how much Mercedes UK save overall offering a small select range of cars, obviously build slots for certain models play the biggest part in saving money on production, and they have to guesstimate how many units of each they will sell.

A V6 Elegance without all the bells and whistles would be £43,000 compared to about £33,000 for a car with C200 DIESEL which roughly comes to £10k for the 6 cylinder petrol engine! Assuming you could get a bit off that price difference discounted say £1500 That's a £8,500 difference. It would have caused me to think hard admittedly but yes I would have bought the V6 petrol. On the other hand in Germany I might have gone for the more conservatively priced C200 PETROL 184 PS which I could buy in Elegance trim for £36,500 but there I would have had the ENGINE and TRIM choice denied me in the UK.

 

[grober]

do it properly and lease a standard E63 Estate (standard spec includes keyless go, COMAND, panoramic roof, DAB radio, Harmon Kardon etc etc):

2 years, 20k lease from Freedom contracts:
6+23 at £571.19 + £180 (doc fee):
total cost of £16,745 and £698 p/m

Amazing deal for a £75k car.

And presumably similar figures would apply to a E500 E350 should such cars exist in the UK?? Unless their depreciation curve is radically different from an E63? and I can't see why they would be.

 

[gIzzE]

E500 always looses shed loads more than the AMG model.

Same with the M5 vs 550i.

RS6 vs 4.2 A6

The price difference is never that much new, but after 3 years the difference is massive.

 

[st4]

If I could afford to buy a car costing £75,000 I doubt if I would be concerned? What's the depreciation curve like on a E63?

They're all sold on agility at 4.9% APR.

Mercedes set the monthly payments artificially low to shift them. No-one pays £75k to £100k for an E63.

 

[grober]

They're all sold on agility at 4.9% APR.

Mercedes set the monthly payments artificially low to shift them. No-one pays £75k to £100k for an E63.

And the reason they couldn't do the same with the E350 and E500 is---? I assume they still make money on the E63 they sell?

 

[cinek]

Nice amount of standard kit on it.
Sure it's Mercedes?

 

[st4]

And the reason they couldn't do the same with the E350 and E500 is---? I assume they still make money on the E63 they sell?

Similar monthly payments to that of the AMG as the AMG will retain more value than the 350 petrol and 500 petrol. People would choose the AMG anyway

 

[gIzzE]

When I was looking for an E320cdi estate a while back, I spotted one that was £13k, all the other had been £18k but more like £20k for the same milage and spec.
It wasn't till I called that I clicked it was a petrol, but it was worth 1/3 less than the same diesel.
Now I was happy to go petrol, but it just shows how much the buying public think they need a diesel.


It is difficult to justify a petrol these days though, I am averaging 47mpg from my 220cdi, this car has single handedly changed what I want from a car in 6 months. I was always up for petrols before this car, had plenty of both but petrol was my preference, but after this I think it will be 4cyl diesels for me from now on, in this sort of car anyway.

 

[redbaron]

And the reason they couldn't do the same with the E350 and E500 is---? I assume they still make money on the E63 they sell?

They did, and nobody bought them FFS!

I love them, you love them.. the market as a whole doesnt love them.

It will always be better for MB to sell performance flagships that draw attention and desire on the street.. Selling sleepers has no halo.

No one is saying E350 or E500 are bad cars - just that the UK market doesnt want them. The same way the US market doesnt want the 4cyl cars.


This is not just a Merc thing. BMW do a lovely Alcantara //M interior on the Msport 3er in most of europe. USA and UK dont take it. I would have had it in a heartbeat. Cant even be special ordered here.

 

[gIzzE]

New 528i is a 4cyl that does a genuine 35mpg, my old 528i used to return 18mpg.

Not offering Elegance trim is a mistake, however, not offering big petrols is just Mercedes being sensible really.

 

[st4]

Did you cane that 528i?

I got that average from an X5 4.4i

 

[gIzzE]

I was only 24 or something, so yeah, probably.

I used to get 18 something all the while, even trying to take it easy. Went to Paris in it and it returned nearly 30, but round town it was not very efficient at all.