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Falken FK452s or Pirelli P7s

I have been through a ridiculous amount of tyres on various cars over the last 5 years or so.

Michelin Pilot Sport 2 is definitely the best on RWD cars, they don't have the ultimate grip of even some mid range tyres but they do let you know what is going on with the car and therefore allow you to feel far more in control, if the back end starts to go you can control it in a way you never could with a symmetrical treaded tyre. They are also seriously quiet and extremely comfy, while also lasting a long time too.

I have had 5 sets of Falken FK452's, one set on a 535d sport touring, one set on the W210 E320 estate, one set on a 120d m-sport and the last set on the 335i sport touring.
The 335i sport touring was the only car where I didn't go from a knackered set or a set of run flats to the Falkens. I had PS2s on it and then decided to save a few quid as it was the family wagon, and I have to say it was a bit of a shock!!
The grip was fine, although no progression at all, when the back end went it snapped and was not controllable at all, but worse than that was how damned hard the ride was, the PS2s were run flats before it and the Falkens were harder than them!!! they were also extremely noisy, even my wife said it drove her mad, so after 3 weeks and 1000 miles I bit the bullet, took them off and ordered some PS2s again, it was a pricey mistake to make, but it did spoil the car so decided I had to.

Now, the one tyre that has seriously impressed me was the Kuhmo KU31.
My M3 had 19's on it, but I wanted a set of 18s for track use, I bought a set off one of the guys on the forum and he said it had KU31s fitted to them. "Cheap tat!" I thought so ordered a set of PS2s for them.
Now the wheels arrived before the tyres so I swapped the 19s for the 18s with them on there still, and I have to admit I was pretty impressed. In the end I had them on there for over two weeks and they were superb!!
I did put the PS2s back on but have to admit there was far less in it between these two than there had been between other tyres I had swapped on the M3 before.

I like Pirelli too, the P Zero Neros are good, not quite as soft, grippy and quiet as the Rossos but then Pirelli tyres are all soft, hence why they are quiet and why they work so well in the cold and wet, only problem is they don't last, I only got 6k miles out of the rear Neros on the 535d, and the Rossos would have been even less!! :D




And you're tyre fitter is a fukin' idiot, it takes 200 miles to get rid of the release agent on the tyre and they can be very dangerous while that is still on them, so do take it easy!! Fancy telling people that. :rolleyes:
 
And you're tyre fitter is a fukin' idiot, it takes 200 miles to get rid of the release agent on the tyre and they can be very dangerous while that is still on them, so do take it easy!! Fancy telling people that. :rolleyes:

He is....let me have the 4, fully fitted incl. VAT for £280 :D
 
Well that's alright then!! :D
 
Yes they are 452's, 12,000 miles in and all 4 with plenty of tread left.
 
I fully intend on testing the P7s on the M6/M1 tomorrow (but not even close to those speeds mind!) - looking forward to a quieter ride. The procession of roundabouts in MK should also serve as a nice test of cornering - especially if it rains....P6000s hated them.

Still, reckon I'll need to go fairly easy to let them bed in (tyre fitter reckoned they work fully straight away, but I'm not so sure! Don't all tyres need a couple of hundred miles?). I'd rather not play 'bet-my-car-they-work'!

I agree with you 300 - 400 miles to bed in so take it easy if we still have this wet weather and greasy roads :thumb:
 
Interestingly I reduced the pressure in my Falken FK452 last night by about 0.15 bar all round and this made them much more comfortable...still a bit on the hard side but def a bit more forgiving. Did not affect mpg at all.
 
So, P7s...any good?

Well I've covered around 170 miles of varied roads and I can't yet say that there is a MASSIVE difference from the P6000s with regard to road noise (maybe 5% better) or mpg (possibly a slither worse in fact). I'll ask a couple of mates for their opinions when they ride shotgun.

However, there is a marked improvement in grip, particularly in damp conditions. I look forward to really testing it in a deluge...when the P6000s used to really frighten me! I'm not sure whether it is MUCH grippier in the wet, but it is definetely much more progressive - you know when it is about to 'let go', so there should be less 'brown underpants' moments! :bannana:

Sun needs to come out again so I can test dry performance. Not needed to brake hard yet......sure to happen at some point, considering all the doombrains out there!

If anyone wants, I can report back in the next few weeks with my thoughts.......
Either no one is interested at all and I'm droning on like usual(!), or maybe a couple of you are looking at P7s as possibles? If the latter, let me know - happy to help you decide....I know it took me a while!

Cheers.
 
They should be more progressive as they are an asymmetrical tyre where as the P6000 is not.
 
Don't forget 8mm v 4mm will make some difference. But glad you're happier with them..:thumb:
 

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