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Ians Broken Camshaft

grober

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Inlet cam part no 1110502101 a cool £322-75 inc vat from mercedes parts online or £175 replacement part from ECP OUCH! how about trying CREWE ENGINES to see if they have any lying around otherwise I guess its the nearest breaker??
 
Cheers Greame, I managed to track one down from "The Garage" in Bacup this morning. Thanks to kickthekat for the use of his car to collect it. Total cost £80. Fitted now and engine runs but needs a hesitant take off diagnosing.
 
Sorted!

Ian B Walker said:
Cheers Graeme, I managed to track one down from "The Garage" in Bacup this morning. Thanks to kickthekat for the use of his car to collect it. Total cost £80. Fitted now and engine runs but needs a hesitant take off diagnosing.

Sorted!:bannana: :bannana:
Wonder what caused it to break in the first place defective casting, metal fatigue or what? Hesitant take off ? anything to do with the variable valve timing? I have heard good things about the "Garage" but have had no dealings directly.
 
grober said:
Sorted!:bannana: :bannana:
Wonder what caused it to break in the first place defective casting, metal fatigue or what? Hesitant take off ? anything to do with the variable valve timing? I have heard good things about the "Garage" but have had no dealings directly.

I wonder if the engine has loose tappets causing the followers to miss the quieting ramps so shock the cam lobes.


Ian
was the engine hesitent befrore the cam problem, if not it must be related in some way, even if it's just the rebuild.

Firstly check the vac lines to the ecu.
 
Before the head gasket problem there was no hesitation. After the GTG on the way home (a spirited run :rolleyes: ) when I approached a road junction it stalled but started first turn of the key. Re checked the engine timing, one tooth out. It was after this that the cam snapped. Checked all vac lines and nothing untoward, checked the ovp replay and ok. Leads me to think that it is the fuel pressure control unit on the fuel rail that has stuck open. Feels like it is flooding when you start from stop. More noticeable when you pull up quickly and then accelerate. Variable timing is quite possible. All cleaned out and seems to be operating ok. Not 100% convinced though. ECU, Nope very much doubt it. as it starts first turn and purrs like the proverbial kitten on tickover. Acceleration is as it was before and kickdown is bang on. T feel that there may have been a flaw in the cam and my removing it to have the head skimmed may have been that step too far for it.
 
Broken camshaft ? See what happens when you do your own maintenance. :D :D
Glad it's fixed.
 
Ian

Sound sthe problems Ive had, I spoke to you recently regarding the inlet cam on a 98 C180. I did a head skim new MB gasket, reground all the valves after on cylinder was showing 50% compression loss, really bad misfire.
When the car came to me it could just about tickover but any selection of gears would stall the engine.
Anyway did the head skim, did the valves, put all back together and whilst trying to sort out the misfire it snapped the inlet camshaft, luckily at tickover.
did a compression test once new cam fiited and all cylinders good so no bent valves.

Replaced one faulty coil pack but found both to be cracked, anyway misfire gone, the C180 fires up and ticks over lovely. apply any throttle and the engine feels like its chocking. Drives well without harsh throttle but apply more throttle and it chokes.

Any ideas please before I drive it into a tree Jeremy Clarkson style.

jib
 
Have you had a look at the throttle flap? This is a possible cause of the choking.

I have too seen a snapped camshaft on a 111 engine. Snapped for no reason other than fatigue. (inlet cam)
 
Ive removed the throttle body and cleaned all the black crud off it, cleaned the wire mesh below it also, the problem was there before I cleaned it.

what do I need to look for on the throttle body I couldnt seen anything at fault, there is a vacum line to it that doesnt look that clever but it doesnt leak.

jib
 
It maybe an internal fault with the potentiometer inside. The cleaning of the crud will help but in my experience the internal electrics are normally the reason for them to fault.
 
Sorted!:bannana: :bannana:
Wonder what caused it to break in the first place defective casting, metal fatigue or what? Hesitant take off ? anything to do with the variable valve timing? I have heard good things about the "Garage" but have had no dealings directly.

If you don't get the timing right the cams will snap, it happens alot.
 
the timing is quiet difficult to get wrong really, put the pins in the cam sprockets and bottom pully to 20 degrees ATDC rotate engine several times and recheck.

I dont think incorrdct timing would snap a cam shaft, if the timing was anywhere outside of 20 BTDC or 20 ATDC then the valves might take a hit from a piston.

jib
 
the timing is quiet difficult to get wrong really, put the pins in the cam sprockets and bottom pully to 20 degrees ATDC rotate engine several times and recheck.

I dont think incorrdct timing would snap a cam shaft, if the timing was anywhere outside of 20 BTDC or 20 ATDC then the valves might take a hit from a piston.

jib

If you don't get the timing spot on the cam can snap, and it's always the same cam...
 
You may find as I did that the ECU needs bootstrapping. The car now runs sweet as a nut. The cam problem was down to fatigue. I had it examined by an engineering firm who confirmed it. On the dark side a member who is banned and its not Television virtually called me a liar when I posted my findings. My post count there dropped off, much better here. At least things can be discussed in a grown up fashion.
 
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You may find as I did that the ECU needs bootstrapping.

Youve lost me with the above, bootstrapping!!! Can you explain.

jib
 
Yes the ecu needs to be reminded that the engine has started and that it will be required to do a little more than just tick over. Its a software job and takes about 3 mins. on a star machine.
 
You may find as I did that the ECU needs bootstrapping. The car now runs sweet as a nut. The cam problem was down to fatigue. I had it examined by an engineering firm who confirmed it. On the dark side a member who is banned and its not Television virtually called me a liar when I posted my findings. My post count there dropped off, much better here. At least things can be discussed in a grown up fashion.


Indeed Ian it was not me, but you know who, indeed the shaft that broke was the leading one, the exhaust is the one not under any strain. (hope I got that right)

Re the re set 202 motronic as I understand it you can re set idle by .

Battery off 10 mins
battery,ign on 10sec
ign off 10 sec
ign on 10 sec and start, I do know this is to set the idle, but do not know if it sets anything else
 
For info only to do the same on an SLK230 start engine
(no throttle response)
Put in drive , foot on brake, let idle for 5 minutes.
Throttle should of relearnt enoughto drive. Go for a normal drive.

Bazzle
 

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