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Yes lord all true. I learned 10% over legal said limit at a speed awareness course, some bloke said he was caught at 33mph and the instructor said that it must be a miss print, said to him to leave and argue the fine because its not illegal to do 33 in a 30 because of the 10% rule.

Gps speed is what I know as a fact.
 
Yes lord all true. I learned 10% over legal said limit at a speed awareness course, some bloke said he was caught at 33mph and the instructor said that it must be a miss print, said to him to leave and argue the fine because its not illegal to do 33 in a 30 because of the 10% rule.

Gps speed is what I know as a fact.


What you are saying is correct in terms of prosecuting. But not (I do believe) legal in terms of an excuse. I dont think you could say in a court of law that you were legally driving at 10% over the legal limit. The 10% is to allow for fluctuation and errors in calibration not a legal get out of jail card.

I could be talking nonsense. You have been warned.
 
What you are saying is correct in terms of prosecuting. But not (I do believe) legal in terms of an excuse. I dont think you could say in a court of law that you were legally driving at 10% over the legal limit. The 10% is to allow for fluctuation and errors in calibration not a legal get out of jail card.

I could be talking nonsense. You have been warned.

Im just quoting what instructor said. Anyone on here been caught for speeding at 33, 55 or 77mph. I quite often cruise past a traffic police car doing 70 at 77- 80.
 
I think the 10% latitude applies to what you see on your own SPEEDO - not on the camera/gun.
And for my speedo at least (W211), is correct if only at 30mph - since at all speeds, it reads 3mph over what my GPS shows .... ie - speedo 33mph = GPS 30mph
And at steady velocity, GPS = true speed.
 
What you are saying is correct in terms of prosecuting. But not (I do believe) legal in terms of an excuse. I dont think you could say in a court of law that you were legally driving at 10% over the legal limit. The 10% is to allow for fluctuation and errors in calibration not a legal get out of jail card.

I could be talking nonsense. You have been warned.

Thing is bruce I cant see anyone being in front of a judge or police officer for travelling at 10% over the speed limit.
 
Unfortunately, you can't always believe what indignant speeding-convicts (for want of a less dramatic term) claim they were nicked for.
I'm sure some would happily claim to have been nicked for 29 in a 30, if they thought someone would believe them.
 
Unfortunately, you can't always believe what indignant speeding-convicts (for want of a less dramatic term) claim they were nicked for.
I'm sure some would happily claim to have been nicked for 29 in a 30, if they thought someone would believe them.

Ha ha so true. I thought everyone one spoke the truth all of the time (or did I mean to say I believe everything to be untrue until proven by fact.)

Regarding mb's I have driven and speedo readings, about 6 months ago I borrowed a mates x plate sprinter pick up for some gardening rubbish. Speedo was reading true at 55mph. Although it took nearly 3 miles to reach that speed.

I just done a quick search on fixed speed cameras triggering and the forum was showing quotes from acpo site. Quotes were say that triggering is at 10% at 30, 10% +1 at 40, 10% +2 at 50, it end there as someones question was about 57 mph. Whether this is true im unsure. I stick to 10% now and haven't been caught for speeding since speed awareness course in 2006.
 
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Thing is bruce I cant see anyone being in front of a judge or police officer for travelling at 10% over the speed limit.

If the charge was not accepted by the driver the a court appearance would follow.
 
Yes lord all true. I learned 10% over legal said limit at a speed awareness course, some bloke said he was caught at 33mph and the instructor said that it must be a miss print, said to him to leave and argue the fine because its not illegal to do 33 in a 30 because of the 10% rule.

Gps speed is what I know as a fact.

But how many cars are fitted with a GPS speedometer?


None...!!!
 
Correct

If you ignore the summons/charge or plead not guilty then a court appearance would be required.

I agree, I was saying travelling at 10% above the speed limit wouldnt put you in front of a judge or for you to be stopped by a police officer for speeding. Imo. I done this for 7 years now since my speed awareness course and haven't been stopped or fined for speeding once.
 
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I agree, I was saying travelling at 10% above the speed limit wouldnt put you in front of a judge or for you to be stopped by a police officer for speeding. Imo. I done this for 7 years now since my speed awareness course and haven't been stopped or fined for speeding once.

And don't forget to allow for a variance in the Police Random Attitude Generator.
 
And don't forget to allow for a variance in the Police Random Attitude Generator.

So true.
I have learnt over the years that yes officer, no officer 3 bags full officer gets you on your way sooner than having an attitude when I was a wee teenager with a runawy gob. Funny how you don't get pulled over so often when you haven't mouthed at the law.
 
So true.
I have learnt over the years that yes officer, no officer 3 bags full officer gets you on your way sooner than having an attitude when I was a wee teenager with a runawy gob. Funny how you don't get pulled over so often when you haven't mouthed at the law.
Used to be that it was better to admit your wrong-doing and throw yourself on the mercy of the copper. Total honesty would generally mean no ticket - unless you really deserved one.
But in these days of police prosecution quotas, I'm not so sure any more.
 
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Used to be that it was better to admit your wrong-doing and throw yourself on the mercy of the copper. Total honest would generally mean no ticket - unless you really deserved one.
But in these days of police prosecution quotas, I'm not as sure any more.

They can and do get their quotas from gobby ones. Our son is a bobby on the beat and believe me he gets enough abuse on a daily basis to fill more than any quota he may have ;) There is no specific "target" for any quota, he just gets an "interview with coffee" should he not have enough "collars" over a period of time.
 
Speeding is of course mostly enforced via cameras (on gantries or SPECS average speed ones).!

I don't believe I have seen a gantry camera working for years. For a start, I'd assume they'd need to be painted yellow, or am I mistaken, as I haven't seen any painted yellow.
 
The legal speed limit that is aloud is actually 10% over the speed limit so motorway travelling is 77. So someone travel in a non mb car at there speedo reading of 70 is actually travelling at 64ish and someone travel with sat nav speed (gps) 100% accurate of 77 is actually travelling 13mph faster which is a hell of a lot of difference. Imo 75% maybe more of people that overtake you on the motorway have gps speedo.

I say non mb cars because every mb I have driven with sat nav speedo reading has been almost perfect, oh apart from my police vito that was calibrated at new and that is 2 mph slower at 70

The legal speed limit is 70 mph. To comply with Construction and Use regulations, your car speedo may over-read by up to 10%, but may not under-read. The ACPO guidelines - which not all forces use, but most do - recommend that no enforcement action be taken if your speed is no more than 10%, +2 mph, over the speed limit. Hence, in a 30 mph limit you will PROBABLY get away with 35 mph; 40 limit, 46 mph; 50 limit, 57 mph; 60 limit, 68 mph; 70 limit, 79 mph. Those figures apply to speed camera settings, because cameras have no brains or discretion, and do not discriminate between soaking wet, crowded motorways in the rush hour and bone-dry deserted motorways at three o'clock in the morning.

HOWEVER.... The police live in (and police) the real world, and provided you are doing nothing illegal, stupid or foolish in addition to speeding, you may well get away with rather higher speeds. The police are there to keep order, not hand out pointless speeding tickets for a few mph over the limit. A traffic police friend of mine once told me that on the motorway, unless you are committing another offence you will probably be OK up to 85 mph, MAY be pulled over up to 94 mph, and WILL be pulled over at speeds higher than that.

If you do get pulled over, the police still have considerable discretion. Generally speaking, policemen are not looking for trouble, they're looking for a quiet shift with no paperwork to keep them on after they should have finished, and they have a sense of humour (mostly...). If you were doing 120 mph, don't expect that saying "I don't suppose this will help" and handing the officer a Get Out Of Jail Free card from a Monopoly set will get you off ( it just might, though).

If you're asked "Do you know why I stopped you?", there is no right answer, but "F**k knows; nothing better to do?" or "Why aren't you catching real criminals?" are definitely wrong answers. A(nother) friend of mine was stopped on a bike at over twice the legal limit, riding a bike capable of a whole lot more, and asked "Do you know what speed you were travelling at?". He replied "Not exactly, no, but when I'm going that fast, I prefer to keep my eyes on the road". The copper, who was also a biker, laughed, and he got away with a friendly lecture.

Be polite and reasonable, and you are likely to get politeness and reasonableness in return.
 
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