Idiotic copper

[vito stan]

Presumably there was a fair chance their car didn't have a calibrated/checked speedo.

Totally agree with being weary of local plod. Usually young at abusing the use of the uniform.

How about this. I was driving along with my hand on my ear leaning on my door panel. A riot van drove past and the driver pointed at me, I smiled carried on driving.
Next thing I know is he is right up my rear blues and twos going so I pull over. Seconds later this 5' nothing 22-23yrs yanks my door open starts shouting at me that he has more important people to deal with than me being on my phone whilst driving, I said I wasn't and he took my phone out if its holder and looked at and said look you have made a call I said yes I did officer at 16.47 he checked his watch and it was 16.53, I had seen him 30secs before this. I did make a call at 16.47 when I was leaving a house I was working and the call didnt connect which was a pain because it didnt show up on my mobile bill. The passenger of the riot van then said why have you come this way if you live over there, (which the route I was taking was to go around a traffic jam which is always there that time of day) buy this time I was biting my lip still because he was being so pathetic, he then said were you trying to get away from us weren't you I just agreed.
The pointing officer now said if I dont plead guilty he would take my phone off me, I said im not agreeing so he took my phone minutes later gave it back and said we dont need it to prosecute you the courts will believe 2 police officers over your word.
He gave me no charge sheet, no producer no nothing and just drove off.

Couple of weeks later I get a summons through, so I plead not guilty. Over the next couple of months I have to send in why im pleading not guilty so, I send in my tracker records from my van proof where I was when I made the phone call phone bill proving that the call that I made didnt connect, they also had written down in there statement wrong type of van and wrong registration. They both also lied and said they pulled me at 16.47 not 16.53.

Guess what happens next .........................£290 fine and 3 points. Facts didn't count over the word of 2 lying police officers.

To anyone that doesn't believe this to be true I still have all the evidence, statements and phone and tracker records.... get your head around that then

 

[Deleted member 65149]

I'd have asked him for his number and told him the IPCC would be receiving a complaint for wrongful.
Most coppers depend on detainees being too scared to challenge their actions.

That's where you and I differ. I prefer this approach offered earlier:

I have learnt over the years that yes officer, no officer 3 bags full officer gets you on your way sooner than having an attitude.

I know when I'm right ... and I know when to shut up about it! I prefer to keep shtum until I hear those immortal words: "Book 'em Danno". That's when they get the full works in writing.

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

That's where you and I differ. I prefer this approach offered earlier:

Well, if you're happy to be pulled over for doing 60 in a 70, then you're letting yourself be used as a doormat for the cleaning of doggie doos.

I know when I'm right ... and I know when to shut up about it! I prefer to keep shtum until I hear those immortal words: "Book 'em Danno". That's when they get the full works in writing.

No, what you do is make sure your smartphone record app is running, have the Three bags full conversation (so it's clear that he's wrongly detained you) and as he walks off, ask him for his number.
If he then starts getting ****y, you can submit the recording to his superior - and if still necessary, to the court for whatever trumped up charge he fabricates.
Simples !

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

Totally agree with being weary of local plod. Usually young at abusing the use of the uniform.

How about this. I was driving along with my hand on my ear leaning on my door panel. A riot van drove past and the driver pointed at me, I smiled carried on driving.
Next thing I know is he is right up my rear blues and twos going so I pull over. Seconds later this 5' nothing 22-23yrs yanks my door open starts shouting at me that he has more important people to deal with than me being on my phone whilst driving, I said I wasn't and he took my phone out if its holder and looked at and said look you have made a call I said yes I did officer at 16.47 he checked his watch and it was 16.53, I had seen him 30secs before this. I did make a call at 16.47 when I was leaving a house I was working and the call didnt connect which was a pain because it didnt show up on my mobile bill. The passenger of the riot van then said why have you come this way if you live over there, (which the route I was taking was to go around a traffic jam which is always there that time of day) buy this time I was biting my lip still because he was being so pathetic, he then said were you trying to get away from us weren't you I just agreed.
The pointing officer now said if I dont plead guilty he would take my phone off me, I said im not agreeing so he took my phone minutes later gave it back and said we dont need it to prosecute you the courts will believe 2 police officers over your word.
He gave me no charge sheet, no producer no nothing and just drove off.

Couple of weeks later I get a summons through, so I plead not guilty. Over the next couple of months I have to send in why im pleading not guilty so, I send in my tracker records from my van proof where I was when I made the phone call phone bill proving that the call that I made didnt connect, they also had written down in there statement wrong type of van and wrong registration. They both also lied and said they pulled me at 16.47 not 16.53.

Guess what happens next .........................£290 fine and 3 points. Facts didn't count over the word of 2 lying police officers.

To anyone that doesn't believe this to be true I still have all the evidence, statements and phone and tracker records.... get your head around that then

Couldn't you have just shown him the call record on your phone ?
That would have settled it there and then, surely ?

And can they confiscate your phone for this (or indeed, any other non-arrestable) offence ?

 

[vito stan]

That's where you and I differ. I prefer this approach offered earlier:

I know when I'm right ... and I know when to shut up about it! I prefer to keep shtum until I hear those immortal words: "Book 'em Danno". That's when they get the full works in writing.

Thing is when you know u have a tracker on your van and phone records proof and I'm polite and I have been told to plead guilty or they'll take my property, I didn't but had every right to start getting mouthy then they drove off. You cant act any different, maybe not agree with him when he said your trying to get away from us which he said in his statement I was the one that used those words.

 

[vito stan]

Couldn't you have just shown him the call record on your phone ?
That would have settled it there and then, surely ?

And can they confiscate your phone for this (or indeed, any other non-arrestable) offence ?

I did and he seen the call was at 16.47 which is the time he put on his statement that he pulled me.
Trying to scare me with the phone, I was not pleading guilty to something I hadnt done. He gave it back thats when they drove off.

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

I did and he seen the call was at 16.47 which is the time he put on his statement that he pulled me.
Trying to scare me with the phone, I was not pleading guilty to something I hadnt done. He gave it back thats when they drove off.

That's bad.
Fortunately, I have several phones including an Android device which shows my detailed location history.
And a Nokia with call recording - so I'm fortunate in that I'd have been able to show that the end of my last call occurred well before I was pulled over.
But that said, I'm not representative in this sense.

 

[Sp!ke]

surely the tracker info would have shown your vehicle was not moving at 16:47?

 

[vito stan]

surely the tracker info would have shown your vehicle was not moving at 16:47?

Yup it did, and the address that I was at.
When I get time later I will post statements and records,

Ridiculous isn't it

 

[vito stan]

That's bad.
Fortunately, I have several phones including an Android device which shows my detailed location history.
And a Nokia with call recording - so I'm fortunate in that I'd have been able to show that the end of my last call occurred well before I was pulled over.
But that said, I'm not representative in this sense.

I don't think it would have mattered

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

I don't think it would have mattered

In court it would definitely have mattered and gotten you a not guilty verdict.
You could have then gone on to make an IPCC complaint and possibly obtained compensation.
If you had the evidence, you should have contested the charge at court.

 

[vito stan]

In court it would definitely have mattered and gotten you a not guilty verdict.
You could have then gone on to make an IPCC complaint and possibly obtained compensation.
If you had the evidence, you should have contested the charge at court.

It went to court with all the evidence.

 

[Sp!ke]

I dont really understand how.

Was your tracker evidence challenged by the prosecution and thrown out or disputed? If so, how was it disputed?

 

[flango]

Totally agree with being weary of local plod. Usually young at abusing the use of the uniform.

How about this. I was driving along with my hand on my ear leaning on my door panel. A riot van drove past and the driver pointed at me, I smiled carried on driving.
Next thing I know is he is right up my rear blues and twos going so I pull over. Seconds later this 5' nothing 22-23yrs yanks my door open starts shouting at me that he has more important people to deal with than me being on my phone whilst driving, I said I wasn't and he took my phone out if its holder and looked at and said look you have made a call I said yes I did officer at 16.47 he checked his watch and it was 16.53, I had seen him 30secs before this. I did make a call at 16.47 when I was leaving a house I was working and the call didnt connect which was a pain because it didnt show up on my mobile bill. The passenger of the riot van then said why have you come this way if you live over there, (which the route I was taking was to go around a traffic jam which is always there that time of day) buy this time I was biting my lip still because he was being so pathetic, he then said were you trying to get away from us weren't you I just agreed.
The pointing officer now said if I dont plead guilty he would take my phone off me, I said im not agreeing so he took my phone minutes later gave it back and said we dont need it to prosecute you the courts will believe 2 police officers over your word.
He gave me no charge sheet, no producer no nothing and just drove off.

Couple of weeks later I get a summons through, so I plead not guilty. Over the next couple of months I have to send in why im pleading not guilty so, I send in my tracker records from my van proof where I was when I made the phone call phone bill proving that the call that I made didnt connect, they also had written down in there statement wrong type of van and wrong registration. They both also lied and said they pulled me at 16.47 not 16.53.

Guess what happens next .........................£290 fine and 3 points. Facts didn't count over the word of 2 lying police officers.

To anyone that doesn't believe this to be true I still have all the evidence, statements and phone and tracker records.... get your head around that then

Did you appeal ? SWMBO has been the victim of one like this but they picked the wrong one.

 

[Peter T]

When it comes to trafic policing, the cops can do and say what they want, and the courts believe them.

There was a case reported earlier this year where a cop on foot claimed he saw a driver using his mobile while driving. The driver went to court with his mobile records showing no calls were made.

The magistrate still believed the cops!

Don't know if the driver took it any further.

 

[brucemillar]

When it comes to trafic policing, the cops can do and say what they want, and the courts believe them.

There was a case reported earlier this year where a cop on foot claimed he saw a driver using his mobile while driving. The driver went to court with his mobile records showing no calls were made.

The magistrate still believed the cops!

Don't know if the driver took it any further.

Not always the case. I fought (hard) and won my case against the Police in Scotland. I had a very, very good brief (I had to, as I could not lose my job).

We proved that the Police had corroborated their written notes and subsequent verbal evidence. In just one bit of the entire case everything else the Police said was thrown into question.

I won.

However. My Brief did say at our first meeting. "Bruce, the courts still think that the Police do not tell lies" That is what we have to fight.

 

[vito stan]

Did you appeal ? SWMBO has been the victim of one like this but they picked the wrong one.

I did mean to appeal I didn't have time, I was working 12-14 hrs a day. Disheartened with the justice system I did think whats the point I have always believed that hard facts and evidence would prove me not guilty not in this case though. I had already used my holidays up at work so would have been another unpaid day off.

 

[Peter T]

Not always the case. I fought (hard) and won my case against the Police in Scotland. I had a very, very good brief (I had to, as I could not lose my job).

We proved that the Police had corroborated their written notes and subsequent verbal evidence. In just one bit of the entire case everything else the Police said was thrown into question.

I won.

However. My Brief did say at our first meeting. "Bruce, the courts still think that the Police do not tell lies" That is what we have to fight.

You reminded me of a case my late father-in-law told me about from decades ago.


At the time he was a manager in a Post Office sorting office. They were always having problems with parked vehicles blocking their access so that the early morning delivery lorries could not get in. No matter how much they complained to the police, nothing was ever done.


One day one of the van drivers came back in from his round saying that a beat copper had given him a ticket for leaving his van with the handbrake off, which he swore up and down he had not done. Doesn’t sound like much but, under Post Office rules, it could have cost him his job.


Because of this the PO fought it and it eventually came to county court. Having read the coppers statement, my F-i-L was convinced the he was lying and told the brief how to show this up in court.


In court the brief asked the copper to explain exactly what actions he had taken on the day in question. He claimed that he had reached down between the seats of the van and applied the hand brake.


Problem was, in those days PO vans had the “umbrella” type handbrake that pulled out from the dash!


Case dismissed!!

 

[219]

I did mean to appeal I didn't have time, I was working 12-14 hrs a day. Disheartened with the justice system I did think whats the point I have always believed that hard facts and evidence would prove me not guilty not in this case though. I had already used my holidays up at work so would have been another unpaid day off.

That really is well out of order .

Notwithstanding ( or especially since ) the court case went against you , I would have made a formal complaint against these two .

The vast majority of police officers who are honest hate these types just as much as the public do . It is well worth complaining about them to stop them doing the same to others and , with luck , have them kicked off the force .

The courts also come down heavily on this kind of thing .

How long ago did this happen ? If you complained even now and it was upheld , your conviction could be quashed .

 

[davidjpowell]

Presumably there was a fair chance their car didn't have a calibrated/checked speedo.

I'd guess so, but was not pushing my luck