Luton Airport car park fire

[Petrol Pete]

I frucking swear this has to be the most hijacked thread in the history of this forum . We have gone from a pretty much unexplained (so far) fire that has frucked up around 1500 cars and destroyed a £20 million car park and we are talking about office commuting times.

If I were a conspiracy theorist I would be saying that AI has taken over this thread and is intentionally distracting us from the fact that all of the aforementioned damage was caused by a hybrid car that suffered a thermal runaway in its battery.

Here is a picture of a Walnut . Discuss.

 

[E55BOF]

Nuts.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Oh! Hazel nuts ....Cadburys pick the and they cover them in chocolate.

 

[SmartAmg]

Here is a picture of a Walnut . Discuss.

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Prefer Brazil nuts meself.

 

[Petrol Pete]

I like a pistachio , lighty salted, but quite pricey these days . A dear friend of mine recently sold his Macadamia nut farm in South Africa .It took 5 years before he made any profit . But it did go very well for him in the end .

'Deez' nuts are very expensive . I do believe they are the most expenise in the world , the Australians had it sewn up but cheaper labour and good growing conditions made certain parts of South Africa (oddly enough EXACTLY where my friend owned property) more cost effective.



PS . you might I have (for now at least) given up on the Luton fire

 

[markjay]

PS . you might I have (for now at least) given up on the Luton fire

There was a fire in Luton?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Yes....but as it was Luton they are saying it caused twenty million pounds worth of improvements.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Another.......Hamas.....conspiracy.

Point well made. "Don't get angry...."

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[st13phil]

EV with a real-life range of 150 miles, will be more than enough for anyone with a daily commute similar to mine,

The falsity of averages.

Angie’s SLK55 averages approx 4k miles pa. The use pattern is not commutes. It’s fun and road trips. But…

Went to a funeral this week, at Guildford crem. Roughly 75 miles from north Oxfordshire according to google maps. Reality was around 80 miles there and almost 100 back due to traffic avoidance.

No EV charging at the crem; none that would have been viable nearby. V8 did 33mpg on the round trip, with no need for fuel stops. 150-mile range EV would have been completely useless.

So, not an “average” use pattern, but most users don’t fit into the “10 miles a day” average either.

 

[markjay]

The falsity of averages.

Angie’s SLK55 averages approx 4k miles pa. The use pattern is not commutes. It’s fun and road trips. But…

Went to a funeral this week, at Guildford crem. Roughly 75 miles from north Oxfordshire according to google maps. Reality was around 80 miles there and almost 100 back due to traffic avoidance.

No EV charging at the crem; none that would have been viable nearby. V8 did 33mpg on the round trip, with no need for fuel stops. 150-mile range EV would have been completely useless.

So, not an “average” use pattern, but most users don’t fit into the “10 miles a day” average either.

I am not sure why you are referring to averages? I was talking specifically about using a 150 miles range EV for a daily commute along the same fixed route.

Obviously, other use profiles may require different type of vehicles.

If someone buys a scooter to commute to work, would you argue that it's a poor decision because the scooter can't be used for a trip to the South of France during the summer holidays?

 

[ALFAitalia]

I frucking swear this has to be the most hijacked thread in the history of this forum . We have gone from a pretty much unexplained (so far) fire that has frucked up around 1500 cars and destroyed a £20 million car park and we are talking about office commuting times.

If I were a conspiracy theorist I would be saying that AI has taken over this thread and is intentionally distracting us from the fact that all of the aforementioned damage was caused by a hybrid car that suffered a thermal runaway in its battery.

Here is a picture of a Walnut . Discuss.

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LOL....

Seems pretty explained to me.

Funny how pretty much any thread has the potential of turning into some anti EV rant! I don't like EVs.....but not because they are impractical or I could not use one as my one and only car (of course I could and so could most other people if they were honest....I only do over 250 miles in my cars in one go two or three times a year).....but just because I don't like them and they have no appeal and lack what it is that I love about cars, does not make them rubbish and so I don't feel the need to hate on them at every opportunity. If you don't like them that's fine, its not like you have to by one....as it stands there is no date when you wont be able to drive an ICE (a petrol one at least....don't hold out much hope for dervs in the future but I could be wrong) so you can happily carry on driving your ICE powered car until you are boxed up.......and no one is predicting a 90% plus UK EV fleet for 40 years plus. So drive your ICE....I will.....and leave the EV boys to their boring soulless cars!!

This post is aimed at the haters....not at @Petrol Pete by the way, it just followed on nicely from his hijacking comment.

 

[Darrell]

I really can’t see a problem with EV’s apart from (to me anyway) the price.

 

[Petrol Pete]

From what I can see insurance companies and owners of car ferries/road tunnels/public buildings will slow down the use of EV's . Add to that GM have just announced they have little faith in the future of EV's adding their voice to that of many other manufacturers including Toyota.

Some New car company CEO's are calling out their Governments regarding being forced (by 'green' driven fantasy legisltion ) to build cars that they have no faith in. As for their use in HGV transport...not going to happen in decades.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Went to a funeral this week, at Guildford crem. Roughly 75 miles from north Oxfordshire according to google maps. Reality was around 80 miles there and almost 100 back due to traffic avoidance.

So you would have stopped for 20 minutes at a charger en route, probably using that spare time because you'd set off early to make sure you weren't late for Guildford.

20 minutes giving you an extra 60 miles from a public 50 kw charger. And then returned home with 30 miles of charge to spare.

Fuel cost: 120 * 3p, plus 60 * 15p = £12.60 instead of £55 for the SLK. A saving of £42.40

Across a year, you'd save £2,240 on fuel: 8000 miles from a home charger is £240 a year, compared to £2500 to fuel an SLK

For Angie's 4k a year, you'd save a couple of grand: £1,120 on fuel. plus the RFL plus the insurance saving

 

[st13phil]

I am not sure why you are referring to averages?

Because much of the pro-EV argument is based upon the mythical “average” commuter. I was simply pointing out that real use patterns rarely match the “averages” so often quoted.

For example, would it really benefit the planet for Angie to divest herself of her “gas-guzzling, planet-destroying” V8 and swap it for an EV? Clearly not, yet that’s the perceived wisdom.

 

[st13phil]

en route, probably because you'd set off early to make sure you weren't late for Guildford.

Actually, the journey was nearer 3hrs as it was, so another diversion to waste a further half-hour would have been as welcome as a pig at (I think we know the saying).

The point I make is that ICE vehicles are popular because of the functionality they provide. Nokia used to build phones that needed charging once a week, yet Apple destroyed their market with a product that needed charging more than once a day. They did that because they created a product that did lots of things that a Nokia 6110 didn’t. EV’s don’t offer anything in exchange for the pain of ownership, except for a marginal per-mile cost advantage that’s swamped by the capital cost.

 

[ALFAitalia]

As for their use in HGV transport...not going to happen in decades.

Really! Well this one has 350 mile range...DAF has one ready to go too.

Driving electric trucks

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[markjay]

Because much of the pro-EV argument is based upon the mythical “average” commuter. I was simply pointing out that real use patterns rarely match the “averages” so often quoted....

Agreed, but why is it an issue specifically in the EV debate? It's a generic problem.

Up to very recently my car of choice was a 4-door 5-seat Saloon - that's how I like them - and over 25 years I had two Omegas and two C-Class MBs.

I bought them knowing very well that when Mrs MJ wants to go shopping at IKEA, the items we bought won't fit in the car and we'll need to arrange home delivery - of, course, I could have bought a hatchback with folding rear seats, or an small SUV, but I didnt.

Similarly, being a family of 5, if we had guests we needed to use a taxi when traveling, because I didn't buy a Sharan or a Galaxy or any other 7-seat MPV. And so it goes....

Of course the type of car must fit the use profile, or at the very least owners should accept the limitations of their choice. However, my annoyance is with the fact that this is widely acknowledged for ICE cars, but somehow EVs are considered unsatisfactory if they only suit certain types of use but not others. Why?

 

[markjay]

...EV’s don’t offer anything in exchange for the pain of ownership, except for a marginal per-mile cost advantage that’s swamped by the capital cost.

And very low maintenance costs.

But what about zero-exhaust-emissions? This may not benefit individual owners, but surely that's a good reason for the government (both central and local) to promote EVs? It contributes to public health, we should keep that in mind. Zero-exhaust-emissions vehicles (not just battery powered) remove harmful toxic gasses from city centres and urban areas, which is where the majority of the population live and work.

 

[st13phil]

But what about zero-exhaust-emissions?

While local “in use” emissions may be lower, I remain completely unconvinced that overall - let alone whole life - emissions favour BEV’s over ICE alternatives.

The bottom line is that we are all being compelled to make a modal change in our personal transport method based upon (imo) very questionable benefit statements. And in exchange for the nebulous “benefits” we get less flexible and more expensive mobility. Not exactly a winning argument, is it?