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Luton Airport car park fire

This report is already five days old and I haven’t seen anything of it on TV or online. I wonder why? 🤦‍♂️

Maybe because it isn't the full report. Perhaps you are over-wondering.

There was a report a few days ago that the individual arrested faced no further action. They type of vehicle was clearly mentioned. There might have been more publicity if this had led to a prosecution.
 
The Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue incident report into the Luton Airport car park fire confirms that the fire started in a diesel car. It is very precise in saying that:

“The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle.”

This report is already five days old and I haven’t seen anything of it on TV or online. I wonder why? 🤦‍♂️

I saw three reports on this last week. It’s simply not news. A car caught fire, it got out of control, and there’s no basis for prosecution of the driver.

However… as far as I read, it’s not clear if there was some culpability of the property operator, the safety systems, or the fire authorities. “All I read” was that there wasn’t a case to put against the driver. Which doesn’t mean he’s innocent, rather that there isn’t a case that could lead to successful prosecution.

There’s an odd smell of incompetence cover up because the report was issued at the same time as “Kate’s Cancer gripped the nation.”

You don’t have to be Alastair Campbell to note that it was the ideal time to “bury bad news.”

 
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I believe it was Jo Moore, a special adviser to the government, who originally used this phrase on 9/11.
Aye, the PR adviser in the Department of Transport who retrained as a Primary School teacher the following year.

My point was that spin doctors, like Alastair Campbell, drop news they want to bury when there’s a big story or distraction. “Last day of term” at Parliament, with MP’s heading home for the holiday? (Yesterday: March 26th). By coincidence a slew of reports get released that departments want to hide while MPs have got their minds on other things

Didn’t mention Jo because she’s just a primary school teacher that no-one will remember.
 
The EV haters would care had it been an EV. 😏
So no EV,s caught fire then? Why then did the intense heat that can only come from lithium batteries on fire cause floors to collapse. Doesn't really matter what car started the fire, it's how it spreads and cannot be put out easily
 
So no EV,s caught fire then? Why then did the intense heat that can only come from lithium batteries on fire cause floors to collapse. Doesn't really matter what car started the fire, it's how it spreads and cannot be put out easily
I saw three reports on this last week. It’s simply not news. A car caught fire, it got out of control, and there’s no basis for prosecution of the driver.

However… as far as I read, it’s not clear if there was some culpability of the property operator, the safety systems, or the fire authorities. “All I read” was that there wasn’t a case to put against the driver. Which doesn’t mean he’s innocent, rather that there isn’t a case that could lead to successful prosecution.

There’s an odd smell of incompetence cover up because the report was issued at the same time as “Kate’s Cancer gripped the nation.”

You don’t have to be Alastair Campbell to note that it was the ideal time to “bury bad news.”

I’d certainly believe there is some culpability in NOT having any form of extinguisher system built into a relatively new multi-storey car-park.
Initial fire prevention cost-saving to Luton Airport at users risk, the fact LAA is ultimately owned by the council may have influenced that oversight being allowed?
 
So no EV,s caught fire then? Why then did the intense heat that can only come from lithium batteries on fire cause floors to collapse. Doesn't really matter what car started the fire, it's how it spreads and cannot be put out easily
What's that got to do with anything? Nobody's saying no EVs caught fire. It's been proven that an EV did NOT start the fire. Much to the disappointment of the EV haters and the Media. 🙄
 
So no EV,s caught fire then? Why then did the intense heat that can only come from lithium batteries on fire cause floors to collapse. Doesn't really matter what car started the fire, it's how it spreads and cannot be put out easily

Diesel oil fires are horrendous - far worse than petrol - buring oil generates intense heat and thick clack smoke, and the fire can last for hours.

Look online for the description of the intense Diesel fuel fire during the Ladbroke Grove train crash.
 
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I’m no expert on fires but if a car is already alight then I wouldn’t have thought it would take very long for diesel to heat up to 55c and flash - especially if the car/engine was already warmed up?

Yes petrol is easier to ignite but then we all knew that didn’t we? :)
 
Reminds me of Lockheed's SR-71 Blackbird that used very low volatility JP-7 fuel. Rumour has it that you could drop a lit match into a tray of the stuff and a it would just extinguish the match.
 
Diesel Range Rover iirc ?
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Reminds me of Lockheed's SR-71 Blackbird that used very low volatility JP-7 fuel. Rumour has it that you could drop a lit match into a tray of the stuff and a it would just extinguish the match.

Just as well since the aircraft routinely leaked fuel. If you look at pictures on SR-71s on the ground there are often puddles of it underneath.
 
Diesel oil fires are horrendous - far worse than petrol - buring oil generates intense heat and thick clack smoke, and the fire can last for hours.

Look online for the description of the intense Diesel fuel fire during the Ladbroke Grove train crash.

Nature gives / takes. Diesel harder to set alight. Worse once alight.

There have been suggestions that burning fuel spread the fire.

I'm interested in seeing the full report.

In SE Asia there are huge condominiums built above massive multi-storey carparks. After seeing what happened in Luton (and the previous Liverpool fire that was sort of equally forgotten) I'm left wondering what safety features are mandated (and implemented) to ensure that the effects of a car park fire are contained.
 
Reminds me of Lockheed's SR-71 Blackbird that used very low volatility JP-7 fuel. Rumour has it that you could drop a lit match into a tray of the stuff and a it would just extinguish the match.
Sort of on similar lines. Work colleague of mine years ago, argued that 2 stroke petrol, wasn't flammable :oops: So to prove his point, put a little bit on his work pants, and put a flame to it, needless to say it burst into flames. It was quickly extinguished and he wasn't hurt. 😱 From that moment on until he finished, he was known as, Two Stroke. 🙂👍
 
There have been suggestions that burning fuel spread the fire.

I'm interested in seeing the full report.
I haven't read the report, but one of the things a friend of mine (a retired London Fire Service Watch Commander) said at the time was that fires in multi-story carparks are rare but often catastrophic when they do happen because fuel tanks rupture due to the heat, with the liquid then entering the drainage system and thus spreading the fire further at random. He also mentioned that examples such as Luton with unclad steel structures are prone to collapse without warning due to heat causing the steels to lose structural integrity, so no-one is going to rush to go inside the structure to fight the fire.
 
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Nothing to see here . OK , so Geoff seems to like a conspiracy from time to time and I am surprised the hats he always wears are not of tin foil .

But even the most pro EV supporter must sometimes question why burning/EV fail stories seem to either disappear , run late/short or not at all.

To say 'there are much bigger news stories out there these days' is disingenuous as that argument could be used regarding Princess Kate/Palestine/Ukraine/China as some people simply don't give a hoot about those stories either.
 
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Nature gives / takes. Diesel harder to set alight. Worse once alight.

There have been suggestions that burning fuel spread the fire.

I'm interested in seeing the full report.

In SE Asia there are huge condominiums built above massive multi-storey carparks. After seeing what happened in Luton (and the previous Liverpool fire that was sort of equally forgotten) I'm left wondering what safety features are mandated (and implemented) to ensure that the effects of a car park fire are contained.

Most new buildings in London - both office and residential - have underground car parks. I am assuming that there are stringent fire safety regulations to cover these?

Re the perils of oil fires (not just Diesel fuel), the fire in King's Cross underground station that claimed the lives of 31 people started from a lit cigarette that made its way into the escalator and fell into a large tub of lubricating oil that drained from the mechanism over the year. The heat from the burning oil is said to have been so intense that the tiles on the station's walls started exploding.
 
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