Luton Airport car park fire

[ToeKnee]

Very much doubt it. They still wont except it.

They might accept it though......

 

[SmartAmg]

They might accept it though......

Oh look, that flying pigs just flew past.

 

[Railwayman]

Would i have a full EV, nope never but i am considering a plug in hybrid, best of both worlds, as for establishment reports, there are lies damn lies and government statements.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Very much doubt it. They still wont except it.

Unfortunately some - but by no means all - of the more extreme anti-EV narrative is interwoven with other topics like COVID-19, 9/11, 5G, Gates/Musk/Zuckerberg/Bezos are lizards seeking world domination, anti-Chinese manufacturing, Controlling Super Elite, Global Governments, Aliens farming humans to use as batteries, and umpteen other things, combined with the general mistrust of authority and Governments.

As a result, even when it’s proven and officially confirmed that the fire wasn’t started by an EV then some will still say “well of course they’ll say that, it’s all part of the coverup” which ironically reinforces the views of those with the most extreme views.

 

[ShireMan]

Unfortunately some - but by no means all - of the more extreme anti-EV narrative is interwoven with other topics like COVID-19, 9/11, 5G, Gates/Musk/Zuckerberg/Bezos are lizards seeking world domination, anti-Chinese manufacturing, Controlling Super Elite, Global Governments, Aliens farming humans to use as batteries, and umpteen other things, combined with the general mistrust of authority and Governments.

As a result, even when it’s proven and officially confirmed that the fire wasn’t started by an EV then some will still say “well of course they’ll say that, it’s all part of the coverup” which ironically reinforces the views of those with the most extreme views.

Well you would say that, but the Martians tell me it’s true!

 

[ChipChop]

Unfortunately some - but by no means all - of the more extreme anti-EV narrative is interwoven with other topics like COVID-19, 9/11, 5G, Gates/Musk/Zuckerberg/Bezos are lizards seeking world domination, anti-Chinese manufacturing, Controlling Super Elite, Global Governments, Aliens farming humans to use as batteries, and umpteen other things, combined with the general mistrust of authority and Governments.

As a result, even when it’s proven and officially confirmed that the fire wasn’t started by an EV then some will still say “well of course they’ll say that, it’s all part of the coverup” which ironically reinforces the views of those with the most extreme views.

What pray is an extreme anti-EV narrative?

Puzzled also by the addition of anti-Chinese manufacturing to the progressives list of conspiracies.

There must be a link between the two no, as the PRC has much to gain from dumb, geopolitically naive, westerners buying EV's manufactured using their expensive battery packs. Not sure what we in the West have to gain but i am all ears..?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

What pray is an extreme anti-EV narrative?

Extreme means furthest from the mid-point.

So for example a narrative from the mid-point might be “my EV’s alright” “I might have an EV next” or “they’re not for me”. Those people tend not to expend much time or energy on the topic.

An extreme (negative) anti-EV narrative might appear - to both pro-EV and the majority around the mid-point - to be a never ending list of reasons, of which some - but not all - might appear to be theoretical, exaggerated or maybe not even true. Those people tend to expend an exceptionally and disproportionately large amount of time and energy on something which doesn’t really affect them in any measurable or meaningful way.

The reverse equivalent is true for extreme (positive) pro-EV narrative.

You’re much more cleverer than me though, so you knew that.

 

[SmartAmg]

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Those people tend to expend an exceptionally and disproportionately large amount of time and energy on something which doesn’t really affect them in any measurable or meaningful way.
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Nuff said, really.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Puzzled also by the addition of anti-Chinese manufacturing to the progressives list of conspiracies.

Just have a look at the very large number of EV related posts on this forum, and many news/media articles - from both industry experts and armchair experts - and there is a very high incidence of references to Chinese manufacturing.

You may have read it as a list of conspiracies with one exception based upon your own perspective and natural biases, but it was written as a list of topics (not conspiracies) which are often interwoven based upon my perspective and natural biases.

 

[DSM10000]

Well you would say that, but the Martians tell me it’s true!

But how can you hear them through your protective headgear?

 

[Bellow]

Those people tend to expend an exceptionally and disproportionately large amount of time and energy on something which doesn’t really affect them in any measurable or meaningful way.

You - or I for that matter - do not know how ICE drivers will be affected. Right now given that everything thrown at EVs in the way of incentives isn't delivering the outcome intended, we do not know that to increase EV sales ICE may be penalised to make it less attractive. That last point less likely if EVs were selling as well as government hoped. So anyone running ICE and wanting or needing to continue with ICE cannot fail to be interested in how well or otherwise the electrification project is progressing.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

…the PRC has much to gain from dumb, geopolitically naive, westerners buying EV's manufactured using their expensive battery packs. Not sure what we in the West have to gain but i am all ears..?

Well those dumb naive westerners gain the battery packs, at a price point that those dumb westerners are prepared to pay, no?

If those dumb westerners invest in the infrastructure required to build equivalent battery packs and are prepared to pay more for them, then the dumb westerners don’t need to buy them from “the PRC”.

The manufacturer of EV battery packs are a very narrow view of a larger global shift in manufacturing and capability, which is often mentioned because it’s a topic which is interwoven with the others in the list above.

I can’t remember seeing any posts on MBClub or news/media articles referring to the manufacture of kitchen & cleaning equipment purchased in the UK - and made in “the PRC” - increasing from 8.011% in 2013 to 54.17% in 2023, up by 57.475% YTD and set to continue.

I suspect that’s because those most interested in COVID-19, 9/11, 5G, Gates/Musk/Zuckerberg/Bezos are lizards seeking world domination, anti-Chinese manufacturing, Controlling Super Elite, Global Governments, Aliens farming humans to use as batteries, and general mistrust of authority and Governments, tend not to be too interested in domestic cooking & cleaning equipment and it’s country of manufacture.

If we really wanted to worry about “the PRC” having control of the manufacture of stuff, then EVs and EV battery packs would be low down on the list. Microchips, healthcare equipment, ships, power generation equipment, ships/tankers, LCD/LED panels, and umpteen other things - including batteries for other purposes - coukd all rank higher. For some reason, EVs and EV batteries are the ones which get the extremes excited.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

You - or I for that matter - do not know how ICE drivers will be affected. Right now given that everything thrown at EVs in the way of incentives isn't delivering the outcome intended, we do not know that to increase EV sales ICE may be penalised to make it less attractive. That last point less likely if EVs were selling as well as government hoped. So anyone running ICE and wanting or needing to continue with ICE cannot fail to be interested in how well or otherwise the electrification project is progressing.

The key word being interested. The extremes (both ends) are disproportionately more than interested.

I agree, none of us know, not even the experts. We just have perspectives based upon varying degrees of genuinely relevant knowledge and experience, information gleaned from our preferred sources, and our natural biases.

 

[JHS]

The things that stopped me buying an EV when I sold the mighty C250d were the cost of change, my HRV was considerably cheaper than an equivalent EV. Insurance costs, these really are not funny. Lastly was the interior storage. The HRV is a Tardis and EVs need all the room for batteries.
All things being equal n EV makes sense for me.Unfortunately things are not equal and by the time that they are, I will have handed in my licence.

 

[SmartAmg]

The things that stopped me buying an EV when I sold the mighty C250d were the cost of change, my HRV was considerably cheaper than an equivalent EV. Insurance costs, these really are not funny. Lastly was the interior storage. The HRV is a Tardis and EVs need all the room for batteries.
All things being equal n EV makes sense for me.Unfortunately things are not equal and by the time that they are, I will have handed in my licence.

Fair enough.

 

[ChipChop]

Just have a look at the very large number of EV related posts on this forum, and many news/media articles - from both industry experts and armchair experts - and there is a very high incidence of references to Chinese manufacturing.

You may have read it as a list of conspiracies with one exception based upon your own perspective and natural biases, but it was written as a list of topics (not conspiracies) which are often interwoven based upon my perspective and natural biases.

And so there should be. Engaging with the PRC should be problematic for those governing and living in Western democracies. A pertinent example being the PRC purchase almost all of Irans oil production which last year was over a million barrels a day. Used no doubt in Chinese manufacturing. Geopolitically naive to sweep this under the carpet.

You mentioned lIzards so i cannot take the latter paragraph seriously in the slightest. It was a list of conspiracies. The intent as always to mark a position agin the status quo as irrational and false.

 

[ChipChop]

If we really wanted to worry about “the PRC” having control of the manufacture of stuff, then EVs and EV battery packs would be low down on the list. Microchips, healthcare equipment, ships, power generation equipment, ships/tankers, LCD/LED panels, and umpteen other things - including batteries for other purposes - coukd all rank higher. For some reason, EVs and EV batteries are the ones which get the extremes excited.

If you are seeking extremes you would do better looking further afield. The PRC is an authortarian one party state and a dictatorship.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

And so there should be. Engaging with the PRC should be problematic for those governing and living in Western democracies. A pertinent example being the PRC purchase almost all of Irans oil production which last year was over a million barrels a day. Used no doubt in Chinese manufacturing. Geopolitically naive to sweep this under the carpet.

Puzzled by your last post (above) given that your previous post (below) suggested that you couldn’t see the relevance to the other topics I l suggested are interwoven. But then your last post (above) appears as if you can see the relevance, no?

Puzzled also by the addition of anti-Chinese manufacturing to the progressives list of conspiracies.

 

[Darrell]

Everyone was expecting it to be caused by an EV or hybrid, tensions were running high as anti-EV types were desperate to justify their viewpoint.

Everyone was were they?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

You mentioned lIzards so i cannot take the latter paragraph seriously in the slightest.

That’s good because when I wrote it I didn’t intend the comment regarding lizards to be taken seriously. It was a light hearted quip in an otherwise serious post about serious topics.

It was a list of conspiracies. The intent as always to mark a position agin the status quo as irrational and false.

Don’t you think that the use of word “conspiracy” has an implied negative tone though?

Definitely a list of topics as written, but I am cool if you see them as all being conspiracies. Some of them are conspiracy theories by the actual definition though.