Luton Airport car park fire

[Petrol Pete]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

 

[Petrol Pete]

I thought that, perhaps someone had a go putting it out, and gave up?

They did . It has been reported that some people went to a floor below to get another fire extinguisher. Instead of running away.

 

[markjay]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

The fact that EV battery fires are very difficult to extinguish, is indeed a massive issue.

However, the fact that a brand new 23-plate car from a premium marque spontaneously catches fire while parked up, is a colossal engineering failure.

Just like the 737-800 Max, it's a massive c**k-up that needs to be fixed.

 

[ALFAitalia]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

High insurance is nothing to do with them catching fire.....if it was than ICE would have even higher insurance, as statistically they are FAR more likely to catch fire than an ICE one.....best you ban those too.


And before you say that the problem is how difficult they are to put out.....well they have just about sorted that...

New revolutionary method tested extinguishes lithium-Ion EV fires in ten minutes with minimal water use

The water consumption was calculated to be around 750 liters / 200 gallons in total, with a combined use of the Cobra cutting extinguisher and traditional fire extinguishing with water.

ctif.org

 

[DrNick]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

Bit draconian. Have you also banned phones and laptops.? Same tech. Turns out that vaping is dangerous for reasons of fire. See attached. Last paragraph gives some data on ICE and EV

 

[davymead]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

I must say it did cross my mind on the Wightlink ferry last week. Plenty of newish hybrid vehicles to choose from, all packed in like sardines.

 

[clk320x]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

Delusional.

Statistically an older (and therefore often poorly maintained) ICE car is a much higher fire risk… shall we ban those too?

 

[SmartAmg]

Delusional.

Statistically an older (and therefore often poorly maintained) ICE car is a much higher fire risk… shall we ban those too?

Yep, let's.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Everyone knows that EV statistically catch themselves on fire less than ICE . but it's the nature of the fire thats the problem. It looks like this car was being driven when it went up , so reaction to it must have been immediate .

It looks like 3 fire extinguishers could not stop it getting worse (admittedly probably in the hands of persons not trained in their use) The chilled Brine solution is already fitted to a car ferry in the Faroe islands so way ahead of you there.

This ferry company would not spend all of this money if they did not think there was a real threat from burning EV's to their ship.

You misunderstood my point on insurance . I am not talking about car insurance but building/business insurance. The increase in driver premiums is because of how expensive they can be to fix. Go to any major Airport in the world and you will see EV's (hire cars and private) being charged on different floors of the car park , practically indoors .

Hotels and shopping malls with EV charging underground , all very foolish . They can't really be called design errors as most of the buildings in question were built before EV's arrived so they were hastily adapted .

We must remember that EV have been used deep underground in mines for a while now . They are fitted with battery flood ports that can be attached to the central fire fighting system in very short order to drown the battery . Thats because the mine owners do not want their mine closed for weeks due to an EV fire, It might save a few miners lives a well (bonus). No such consideration has been made for us , the general public.

What would be nice is if the owner of this burning LR would just pop up and tell us what car it actually is (was) to end all the speculation .

Not massively convinced by the 4 second video that the shots were taken for post #125 , but if it was a boggo diesel LR than we should even be more concerned !!

This one will run and run , unlike the +1000 or so cars damaged in this fire, and I doubt the true facts will ever come out . Just like with the burning car transporter ship . All gone quiet.

Faroese invent new method of extinguishing lithium battery fires

News from the Faroe Islands — in English

local.fo

There is a video on how it works somewhere out there . I think we can all agree , whatever the solution is (pun intended) more thought and research has to go into fighting this type of fire before every vehicle on our roads is an EV.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Delusional.

Statistically an older (and therefore often poorly maintained) ICE car is a much higher fire risk… shall we ban those too?

No we all know the statistics, but until you invent a way to put out a big lithium battery during thermal runaway we should think more about the nature of EV fires (however few) and deal with them.

After all we figured out how to put out a burning ICE decades ago, so no need to waste time on that.

 

[clk320x]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

Can you please let us know how you know it’s a hybrid?

I posted a pic earlier with the car in question and the poster of the image had ran a reg check… which came back as a TDV6 RR…

 

[DITTRICH]

This was a Hybrid car battery fire . It's only a matter of time before sensible building owners ban any type of EV/hybrid from there premises . I already have .

If they don't they might fine their insurance providers will make that decision for them.

I am not anti EV but I believe they are being forced on us without due diligence by the people who build them.

Having seen youtubers "identify" the car model, the location of the fire on the vehicle and the colour and intensity of the localised flames, it certainly looked like lithium battery fire. The consequences for insurers and multi storey car parks are horrendous. As an A level chemistry student, I remember that lithium was stored under oil, as when exposed to air, it just corroded in seconds, and in water even worse (lithium hydroxide and hydrogen). The recent update on multi storey car parks issued by the Institute of Structural Engineers will need a further update (charging stations etc).

 

[clk320x]

Having seen youtubers "identify" the car model, the location of the fire on the vehicle and the colour and intensity of the localised flames, it certainly looked like lithium battery fire. The consequences for insurers and multi storey car parks are horrendous. As an A level chemistry student, I remember that lithium was stored under oil, as when exposed to air, it just corroded in seconds, and in water even worse (lithium hydroxide and hydrogen). The recent update on multi storey car parks issued by the Institute of Structural Engineers will need a further update (charging stations etc).

Looks like it was a conventional TDV6?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Can you please let us know how you know it’s a hybrid?

I posted a pic earlier with the car in question and the poster of the image had ran a reg check… which came back as a TDV6 RR…

All the new ones are and that one was 23 plate....so logically its a hybrid.

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , well how flammable is diesel ?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Hardly at all....you can drop a match in a bucket full of it and the match just goes out......but its good smoky fuel once a fire has started..many a Nov 5th bonfire is started upon its way with few gallon of the stuff!! Electrical fires can destroy a car no matter what the fuel....over the years my dad has destroyed two pure derv vehicles on the farm with "electrical faults"!!!..... a JCB and an old Massey 135....the JCB had a major short after wiring wore through (JCB came to investigate that one as it was nearly new.....which I thought was good)....and the Massey was struck by lightening .....luckily while the old man was out of it opening a gate....it fried all the wiring and about 5 minutes later burst into flames!!! I was sad about that as it was the first vehicle I ever drove.

 

[whitenemesis]

Hardly at all....you can drop a match in a bucket full of it and the match just goes out......but its good smoky fuel once a fire has started..many a Nov 5th bonfire is started upon its way with few gallon of the stuff!!

If it gets warm enough the fumes will ignite rapidly. Diesel is a combustible liquid, petrol is a flammable liquid. All to do with the flashpoint

 

[Darrell]

If it gets warm enough the fumes will ignite rapidly. Diesel is a combustible liquid, petrol is a flammable liquid. All to do with the flashpoint

How warm??

 

[190]

Hardly at all....you can drop a match in a bucket full of it and the match just goes out...

Did that as an experiment at the age of 12 didn't everyone ?

It was a big open tank of diesel and I'll say we weren't 100% confident of the result but yes the match went out. We learnt and lived which was nice.

 

[Darrell]

Best thing about Luton Airport is that it lets me fly here.