Mercedes W126 500 560 SEC SEL AMG 190MPH 300KPH Speedo

[talbir]

As an aside, the W124 and W126 physically are NOT identical. Place one over the other and you will quickly relize that they differ in diameter, dimensions, odometer cutouts and the W126 is absent of the 0 stop pin.


The repro face plate that I am offering is based on the authentic 190mph/km AMG non-Stratton Speedo Gauge Face.

I never said the w124 and w126 speedos were identical in physical dimensions, only in the appearance of the MPH markings on the AMG face. I have been playing with w124/201/126s since i was 17 so i know the details well enough to know that they are identical.

You are also incorrect to generalise that w124 does not match w126. Infact there is a w124 model whose speedo physically is identical to a w126, but i won't say as you probably already must know.

Question - how are you sure that your base plate for the repro is a genuine AMG plate ?


talbir

 

[Mapearso]

Gents,

I know that you both have quite a bit more AMG knowledge and W126-specific AMG knowledge than I do.

However, outside looking in, I think the case here is pretty clear. 48hp has created a spot-on reproduction of an authentic W126 AMG 190mph/300 kmh speedo. However, it is NOT a spot-on reproduction of the authentic AMG 190mph/300 kmh speedo in talbir's documented Stratton built W126 car(s).

To 48hp's point, I've seen different versions of the 190mph/300 kmh in authentic documented W126 AMGs (in fact, I have one in one of my cars). I've attached the example from my car here, as well as two different 300 kmh examples.

Finally, for what it is worth, I also have one of 48hp's replica speedo faces. The fit, quality and finish is fantastic and it will be going in my (fully documented) 1983 500SEC AMG.

Hope this helps.

 

[neilrr]

Do any of these make the car go 190 mph?

 

[moonloops]

Do any of these make the car go 190 mph?

Only if being towed by a Veyron.

 

[talbir]

Do any of these make the car go 190 mph?

No, but in true cars, i.e. those with the DOHC 6.0 M117, the Hammer reached 184mph tested.

Even if one doesn't have the engine, they do look good though

I don't doubt the quality of 48hp's repro, it looks superb. But because it doesn't match the original AMG faces i have and know as genuine's, i'm not convinced it's a true replica. I know AMG made many speedo faces, but i've only ever seen the ones i have in MPH.

Looks like the one above posted by Maperaso is a variation on the theme, but again, if that's genuine, 48hp's repro doesn't match that either. Maybe there are even more variations !



cheers
talbir

 

[48hp]

talbir, thus far you only posted a photo of one W124 gauge face that matches nothing. So really, yours is a one off.

Please do yourself a favor read the 23 pages within the thread I've provided above, educate yourself and reply there should you still feel the need.

Once you realize that you have been blinded by your own arrogance, I expect a public apology for pissing on my "Spotted on eBay" thread.

Until then, take your Stratton foamy finger and wave it where others are equally as narrow sighted.

 

[48hp]

Two left should anyone care.

Mercedes-Benz W126 AMG 190mph 300kph Speedometer Speedo | eBay

 

[d w124]

I don't know what is wrong with some of you lot!!!If you can't take the pressure
of a conversation,why bother posting?
As for your spotted on eBay thread,you can't spot your own item (according to the rules)

 

[48hp]

I don't know what is wrong with some of you lot!!!If you can't take the pressure
of a conversation,why bother posting?
As for your spotted on eBay thread,you can't spot your own item (according to the rules)

It's simple.

Falsely stating on a public forum that the base on which a product was produced is fake, is just not cool.

Particularly when the individual making the claim knows the truth.




talbir, doesn't look like your W124 matches your W126 EXACTLY, now does it.

Carry on.

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[Howard]

But this rule is bent for countless other people Dash , 48hp no different

I can't beleive it has almost degenerated into a slanging match over a speedo face ..

 

[swannymere]

But this rule is bent for countless other people Dash , 48hp no different

I can't beleive it has almost degenerated into a slanging match over a speedo face ..

The internet - It's a serious business

 

[jaymanek]

come on guys, we know that all the different AMG centres did things differently.. Its not like it is today, one factory churning out hundreds of items.

Strattons would have had their products, the American one would have had their own and the Japanese AMG branch, as we know, were complete and utter loonies and did whatever they felt like.
I bet they changed the design a number of times over the years.
Even the body kits were wildly different - the raw materials and fitment!

Id bet my bottom dollar that many of these so called "original AMG" cars have also been messed with over the years. A lot werent converted from new remember.

 

[talbir]

talbir, thus far you only posted a photo of one W124 gauge face that matches nothing. So really, yours is a one off.

Please do yourself a favor read the 23 pages within the thread I've provided above, educate yourself and reply there should you still feel the need.

Once you realize that you have been blinded by your own arrogance, I expect a public apology for pissing on my "Spotted on eBay" thread.

Until then, take your Stratton foamy finger and wave it where others are equally as narrow sighted.

Why have you got so wound up ?

If you read back earlier in the thread i actually applauded your efforts and complimented your product. Only later i spotted that it doesn't match my AMG speedo MPH faces so made that public knowledge. I didn't say yours is fake at anytime, i only questioned whether it's a true replica, there is quite a fine line between the two, but a line there is.

And my last post (no.25) just before your rant, I actually backtracked already and said that there may be more variations that i do not know off which yours might match.

I'm so glad i never sent you the original 5.4 AMG badge i had, as discussed. How fickle you must be to now be publicly throwing insults at someone who was prepared to give you an extremely rare and original item that you clearly were having trouble sourcing. No doubt you made a replica of that as well....

Did you really ask for an apology and follow it up with insults ? Wow...

talbir

 

[48hp]

Why have you got so wound up ?

If you read back earlier in the thread i actually applauded your efforts and complimented your product. Only later i spotted that it doesn't match my AMG speedo MPH faces so made that public knowledge. I didn't say yours is fake at anytime, i only questioned whether it's a true replica, there is quite a fine line between the two, but a line there is.

And my last post (no.25) just before your rant, I actually backtracked already and said that there may be more variations that i do not know off which yours might match.

I'm so glad i never sent you the original 5.4 AMG badge i had, as discussed. How fickle you must be to now be publicly throwing insults at someone who was prepared to give you an extremely rare and original item that you clearly were having trouble sourcing. No doubt you made a replica of that as well....

Did you really ask for an apology and follow it up with insults ? Wow...

talbir

Merely passionate.

Do I really need to recap?

The "quality" was not in question. Did you even bother reading your own posts?

The only valid statement you've made throughout all of this is that your W124 AMG face plate does not match my W126 AMG face plate, great.

Since then, it's just been a series of misdirects and back-peddling.

The pic i have shown is from the dashboard of my w124 Hammer and the one in my DOHC M117 Widebody w126 one is identical. Both speedo plates are original stratton items....Stratton's were the sole concessionaires of AMG inventory in the 1980s in the UK.

Two Stratton cars will not be incorrect, but that repro speedo you are selling does not match either of the two Stratton built DOHC M117 cars cars i have (w124 and w126)...to that extent, the repro speedo is incorrect. Whilst it looks great and is very nice, it is not replicating the original AMG MPH speedo item.


thanks
talbir

YOUR W124

YOUR W126

I'm over it. Carry on and long live the W126.

I'm so glad i never sent you the original 5.4 AMG badge i had, as discussed. How fickle you must be to now be publicly throwing insults at someone who was prepared to give you an extremely rare and original item that you clearly were having trouble sourcing.
talbir

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All the best.

 

[Dr.Grillz]

Seems that there is a bit of confusion and misunderstanding going on in this thread... I hope I can help get this settled. The speedometer faceplate that 48hp has replicated looks exactly the same as the one I have which was purchased in Europe 6-7 years back. That same style speedometer faceplate has been found on several members cars in the US all of whom I know have AMG-modified components. Eurocoupe's old 6.0 32v SEC, JonWhite's 5.4, a red Hammer in the US, a black Hammer in the US, a silver Hammer in the US came with the exact faceplate as the one 48hp has replicated. The RHD Hammer that belonged to Vlad in the UK and was sold a few years back had the same style but in a different color combination.

I also noted in some 1986 and 1987 catalogs where it showed W124's with the same style AMG speedometers. So as to authenticity, I am fairly sure they were produced this way back when they were being made.

As to Talbir's speedometer style, I've seen one other car with the same faceplate. I have no doubts that his is also authentic, especially with the car's pedigree and history.

The MPH speedometer faceplate posted by mapearso looks strange, and I've never seen any other car with a similar speedometer. It could have been made in the US by an outsourced place that AMG of NA contacted... but its not a usual faceplate if its infact a genuine period correct piece. Speedometers from different regions of the world can differ as fonts can vary. I noted that the 300 and 320kmh speedometers on Japan-spec AMG's can differ from ones that are in Europe. It could be that AMG Japan simply had their own shops that produced faceplates. Not saying that mapearso's example is not genuine, but its certainly not a usual piece and certainly not seen in any literature that I've got or 1000's of pictures I've collected.

 

[talbir]

Hi buddy, good to hear from ya !

No confusion from anyone on this thread....just some grievance and insults from one individual who was not able to stomach a speedo face being questioned Although, clearly, this individual has more time than on his hands than me to know what's in my cars

He keeps saying 'i'm over it' but the distress is clear in his words.

Never mind, really, who gives a flying f... about a speedo face. Especialy a replica !

As long as one has the real deal AMG car, nothing else matters !

PS you need to contact me about your parts....they are sitting waiting to be shipped !

cheers
talbir

 

[Vlad]

Here's the Speedo out of my old W124 Hammer...car converted at AMG in Germany on behalf of Strattons....so as has been said, there are lots of different AMG options and I suspect that the age of the car will have a contributing factor on the type of speedo design that was used. Mine being an early car is clearly different from Talbir's an so on

 

[48hp]

Seems that there is a bit of confusion and misunderstanding going on in this thread... I hope I can help get this settled. The speedometer faceplate that 48hp has replicated looks exactly the same as the one I have which was purchased in Europe 6-7 years back. That same style speedometer faceplate has been found on several members cars in the US all of whom I know have AMG-modified components. Eurocoupe's old 6.0 32v SEC, JonWhite's 5.4, a red Hammer in the US, a black Hammer in the US, a silver Hammer in the US came with the exact faceplate as the one 48hp has replicated. The RHD Hammer that belonged to Vlad in the UK and was sold a few years back had the same style but in a different color combination.

I also noted in some 1986 and 1987 catalogs where it showed W124's with the same style AMG speedometers. So as to authenticity, I am fairly sure they were produced this way back when they were being made.

As to Talbir's speedometer style, I've seen one other car with the same faceplate. I have no doubts that his is also authentic, especially with the car's pedigree and history.

The MPH speedometer faceplate posted by mapearso looks strange, and I've never seen any other car with a similar speedometer. It could have been made in the US by an outsourced place that AMG of NA contacted... but its not a usual faceplate if its infact a genuine period correct piece. Speedometers from different regions of the world can differ as fonts can vary. I noted that the 300 and 320kmh speedometers on Japan-spec AMG's can differ from ones that are in Europe. It could be that AMG Japan simply had their own shops that produced faceplates. Not saying that mapearso's example is not genuine, but its certainly not a usual piece and certainly not seen in any literature that I've got or 1000's of pictures I've collected.

Dr Grillz, Vlad thank you for your input. Dr Grillz, solid as usual.

The www is filled with bad info and whenever possible we as pre-merger AMG enthusiasts should maintain absolute accuracy thus continuing to raise the bar and our pool of knowledge collectively. This particularly true when it comes to the unclear and spotted past of pre-merger AMG across the globe.

 

[48hp]

Back to the regularly scheduled program:

Mercedes-Benz W126 AMG 190mph 300kph Speedometer Speedo | eBay

 

[talbir]

Dr Grillz, Vlad thank you for your input. Dr Grillz, solid as usual.

The www is filled with bad info and whenever possible we as pre-merger AMG enthusiasts should maintain absolute accuracy thus continuing to raise the bar and our pool of knowledge collectively. This particularly true when it comes to the unclear and spotted past of pre-merger AMG across the globe.

You're not still feeling bad about all of this are you ? blimey, you keep going on and on like a broken record...

Get over it man....concentrate on selling the replica items....

Oh, just seen your next post, you've spotted your own (replica) item again.

Oh and next time i need to know what's in my genuine AMG car, i'll drop you a line.