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Mobile speed cameras not just checking speed!

Is there a set of rules to cover smart watches? Do they count as 'hand held'? Apart from the overarching requirement to stay in control at all times, would I be breaking the law if I look at an alert or message on my watch while my hand is still on the steering wheel?
I guess common sense is required. The police can always do someone for "careless driving...driving without due care and attention."
I'm all for these new laws as it makes it easier to prosecute those who are a danger to others.
 
I'm all for these new laws as it makes it easier to prosecute those who are a danger to others.
Same here. I don't do a high mileage, but I see so many drivers covertly using their phones while driving. I only notice because they're randomly slowing down, or are slow to move away from the lights, or drift out of lane, or their brake lights come on for no apparent reason, and once I've noticed them it's easy to see that their gaze is below the steering wheel when I pass them. The definition of a danger to others.
 
Same here. I don't do a high mileage, but I see so many drivers covertly using their phones while driving. I only notice because they're randomly slowing down, or are slow to move away from the lights, or drift out of lane, or their brake lights come on for no apparent reason, and once I've noticed them it's easy to see that their gaze is below the steering wheel when I pass them. The definition of a danger to others.
See this all the time; following a car on the motorway at a steady rate of progress all of a sudden the speed starts to bleed away and random flashes of brake lights. Slowing then speeding up again.
Pass them and 9 times out of 10 they're on their phone and have 'forgotten to keep driving'
 
Same here. I don't do a high mileage, but I see so many drivers covertly using their phones while driving. I only notice because they're randomly slowing down, or are slow to move away from the lights, or drift out of lane, or their brake lights come on for no apparent reason, and once I've noticed them it's easy to see that their gaze is below the steering wheel when I pass them. The definition of a danger to others.

Exactly that. Most drivers can tell if the dangerous idiot in front or behind is trying to text/read/etc/etc. They are a danger to other users and may cause
accidents but can still drive away as other cars have crashed because of their lack of awareness. I guess it's the same drivers who don't indicate are the types that often break rules like this.
What really winds me up is how many times I've seen tipper truck drivers using a handheld mobile.

I even indicate in car parks when turning in or starting back out as it alerts others around you, of your intentions. Reversing off our drive, I always indicate
as its an extra layer of safety IMO.
 
I even indicate in car parks when turning in or starting back out as it alerts others around you, of your intentions. Reversing off our drive, I always indicate
as its an extra layer of safety IMO.
Better still, reverse ONTO your drive and leave going forwards. Even better, if you can, modify your drive so you can turn round on it. I did that when I lived on an A road. (The alternative was to be like the diva celebrity who lived next door - she reversed off her drive while leaning on the horn so that everyone got out of her way!)
 
Better still, reverse ONTO your drive and leave going forwards. Even better, if you can, modify your drive so you can turn round on it. I did that when I lived on an A road. (The alternative was to be like the diva celebrity who lived next door - she reversed off her drive while leaning on the horn so that everyone got out of her way!)

Agreed and I do this in all car parks but rarely at home. Our part of the close is very wide and rarely a car parked on the road and we are at the top end ie the closed end, so easier to do that and the gates/access are pretty wide - but our children almost always reverse park

I'm not sure if Mercs have them now but a few years ago, Adui were advertising cars with a front camera, ie when driving out of a side road/driver etc and view is not clear, the cam in the front bumper gave you a wide angle view.
 
I always reverse into my drive.....and its not even busy road as its a U shaped road and mostly only residents drive down it!!. But I only reverse into shopping centre car parks etc if I know I'm not going to be buying anything.....otherwise its a pain to load the boot when you get back!. There are a few countries now where reversing into a car park space is a legal requirement......and the number of massive SUVs about mean that if you do drive in forward you just have to chance your arm that no one is coming when you reverse out and go slow as you will have zero visibility with an SUV either side!!
 
I always reverse into my drive.....and its not even busy road as its a U shaped road and mostly only residents drive down it!!. But I only reverse into shopping centre car parks etc if I know I'm not going to be buying anything.....otherwise its a pain to load the boot when you get back!. There are a few countries now where reversing into a car park space is a legal requirement......and the number of massive SUVs about mean that if you do drive in forward you just have to chance your arm that no one is coming when you reverse out and go slow as you will have zero visibility with an SUV either side!!
Something else I’ve noticed more recently is that the drivers of massive SUVs appear to be unable to judge the front of their vehicle. Invariably they stop a foot or more further back than necessary, resulting in their ar5es sticking way out, making it even harder for the rest of us to pull out safely.
 
Better still, reverse ONTO your drive and leave going forwards. Even better, if you can, modify your drive so you can turn round on it. I did that when I lived on an A road. (The alternative was to be like the diva celebrity who lived next door - she reversed off her drive while leaning on the horn so that everyone got out of her way!)
I drive straight in, hammer it down the back straight and broadside into my favourite parking spot right outside the front porch scattering gravel around as an advance warning to the Mrs that the head of the household has returned from the pub.
 
I drive straight in, hammer it down the back straight and broadside into my favourite parking spot right outside the front porch scattering gravel around as an advance warning to the Mrs that the head of the household has returned from the pub.
Meanwhile, in a parallel universe somewhere.......
 
. But I only reverse into shopping centre car parks etc if I know I'm not going to be buying anything.....otherwise its a pain to load the boot when you get back!.
That's the least of it. Watching them drag the trolley down the space between the two cars is painful.
There are a few countries now where reversing into a car park space is a legal requirement......
Where's the evidence that reversing into the space while turning the vehicle is safer than reversing out in a straight line into an open space then doing the turning while moving forwards? Nowhere I'll wager as the reversing into a space has been slavishly copied from where it is done to facilitate rapid evacuation of a car park in the event of say, a fire.
and the number of massive SUVs about mean that if you do drive in forward you just have to chance your arm that no one is coming when you reverse out and go slow as you will have zero visibility with an SUV either side!!
Caterham drivers say the same about your car.
 
Where's the evidence that reversing into the space while turning the vehicle is safer than reversing out in a straight line into an open space then doing the turning while moving forwards? Nowhere I'll wager as the reversing into a space has been slavishly copied from where it is done to facilitate rapid evacuation of a car park in the event of say, a fire.
There probably are studies that have proved it, but a bit of logical thinking is a good guide. In the vast majority of cases, visibility out of the front of a vehicle is better than out of the rear. When reversing into a parking space, the chances of someone else walking, cycling or driving into that space are limited. There's far more chance of someone moving along the lane adjacent to a parking space, so it has to be safer to be provided with the best possible vision of that area. Of course every situation is different, but it makes sense that it's safer to reverse in.

If you still need some scientific backed (pun intended) evidence, fill your boots here:
 
Where's the evidence that reversing into the space while turning the vehicle is safer than reversing out in a straight line into an open space then doing the turning while moving forwards? Nowhere I'll wager as the reversing into a space has been slavishly copied from where it is done to facilitate rapid evacuation of a car park in the event of say, a fire.
Common sense! As you seriously suggesting its as safe to reverse out of a space as drive forwards!!!??? Firstly even in my E class there is rarely enough space between the rows to be able to reverse straight out without turning one way or the other....and secondly Id have thought that you can obviously see more driving forward out of the space. Even with big cars either side only the front half or so of my bonnet will be sticking out before Id have a reasonable view....reverse out and its about 2/3s of the car out before you can see if its clear. Its also easier to reverse in with the steering wheels at the "back".
 
Common sense! As you seriously suggesting its as safe to reverse out of a space as drive forwards!!!??? Firstly even in my E class there is rarely enough space between the rows to be able to reverse straight out without turning one way or the other....and secondly Id have thought that you can obviously see more driving forward out of the space. Even with big cars either side only the front half or so of my bonnet will be sticking out before Id have a reasonable view....reverse out and its about 2/3s of the car out before you can see if its clear. Its also easier to reverse in with the steering wheels at the "back".
Define the danger. If it is reversing into the path of another vehicle then yes, you have a point. Not unreasonable though to expect some compliance from drivers of such cars. If - as I see it - the danger is to pedestrians (esp children) then I'd rather be reversing in a straight line.
 
How can you reverse in a straight line out of a car park space.....unless there is a massive space between the rows you would be stuck between you row and the one behind if you did not start turning as soon as you know the front of you car will clear the car parked either side of you. Maybe car parks are bigger where you live!!

You could not reverse straight out of this space for example.

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Define the danger. If it is reversing into the path of another vehicle then yes, you have a point. Not unreasonable though to expect some compliance from drivers of such cars. If - as I see it - the danger is to pedestrians (esp children) then I'd rather be reversing in a straight line.
Am I to assume you didn’t bother looking at the study I referenced earlier?
If you still need some scientific backed (pun intended) evidence, fill your boots here:
Admittedly it’s American, but the same principles apply. In it they observed that “90% of North Carolina’s parking related fatal and serious injuries occurred during a back-out maneuver.” Those are pretty impressive stats for me.
 
Am I to assume you didn’t bother looking at the study I referenced earlier?
You got me - but I just skimmed it.
Admittedly it’s American, but the same principles apply. In it they observed that “90% of North Carolina’s parking related fatal and serious injuries occurred during a back-out maneuver.” Those are pretty impressive stats for me.
OK, it does relate to personal injury (and worse) not just vehicle to vehicle crashes. I'm not going to argue with its findings. All I know is that in my driving I drive as to what feels safest. Reversing into a space the primary instinct is to avoid hitting the vehicles either side WRT to all four corners of my vehicle. That level of attentiveness to that single task leaves me vulnerable to missing a pedestrian. No such concerns if I drove in forwards.
Leaving, if I reverse very slowly in a straight line moving traffic will see me and respond accordingly and my focus is on ensuring there are no pedestrians directly behind me. Considerably easier than when reversing into the space. Leaving forwards eases the traffic aspect but turning tightly creates two pinch points for pedestrians to get trapped in. Those pinch points cannot exist if I reverse straight out then do my turning moving forwards. Works for me.
 
You got me - but I just skimmed it.

OK, it does relate to personal injury (and worse) not just vehicle to vehicle crashes. I'm not going to argue with its findings. All I know is that in my driving I drive as to what feels safest. Reversing into a space the primary instinct is to avoid hitting the vehicles either side WRT to all four corners of my vehicle. That level of attentiveness to that single task leaves me vulnerable to missing a pedestrian. No such concerns if I drove in forwards.
Leaving, if I reverse very slowly in a straight line moving traffic will see me and respond accordingly and my focus is on ensuring there are no pedestrians directly behind me. Considerably easier than when reversing into the space. Leaving forwards eases the traffic aspect but turning tightly creates two pinch points for pedestrians to get trapped in. Those pinch points cannot exist if I reverse straight out then do my turning moving forwards. Works for me.
Oh well, it's reassuring that you know your limitations.
 
Edit, wrong thread, sorry.
 

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