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Mobile speed cameras not just checking speed!
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Devon and Cornwall AI cameras spot toddlers not wearing seat belts
Police are carrying out safeguarding checks in Devon and Cornwall after the "alarming" discovery.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Looking at the articles linked below that article, the surprise to me was that these cameras have been in use since at least September 2022.Devon and Cornwall AI cameras spot toddlers not wearing seat belts
Police are carrying out safeguarding checks in Devon and Cornwall after the "alarming" discovery.www.bbc.co.uk
And also this image from another article
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Looking at the articles linked below that article, the surprise to me was that these cameras have been in use since at least September 2022.
And also this image from another article
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These are called 'Vulture' Camera's.
They have them all over Leeds now.
The worst bit is, they are all connected, so whenever the 'Man' says, they can be used as Average Speed Cameras as well!
Maybe expect 20mph from the suburbs to the city centre?
However, just as with speed cameras, the seatbelt and mobile phone stuff is just a Tax you don't need to pay!
Surely you would have to concentrate really hard to 'Not' fasten your seatbelt?
They have them all over Leeds now.
The worst bit is, they are all connected, so whenever the 'Man' says, they can be used as Average Speed Cameras as well!
Maybe expect 20mph from the suburbs to the city centre?
However, just as with speed cameras, the seatbelt and mobile phone stuff is just a Tax you don't need to pay!
Surely you would have to concentrate really hard to 'Not' fasten your seatbelt?
That is a better link than the last one , but it still supports what I said .It seems pretty clear here too
Using a phone, sat nav or other device when driving
It’s illegal to hold a phone or a sat nav while driving - you'll get penalty points, a fine and can be banned from driving.www.gov.uk
Right in the opening line , it vey clearly says " It’s illegal to hold and use a phone " ; that is an AND gate , so both parts have to be true ; therefore if you are merely holding the device , and not using it for any purpose , again with the qualification that it must not interfere with your control of the car , then no offence is committed .
Such a scenario may occur if I take my phone out of my pocket for the purpose of putting it into its cradle , before using it , for any purpose .
If planning to use it during a journey , I would normally put the phone in the cradle before starting to drive , since a rarely use it for much more than navigation , or for entertainment ( background music ) , both of which can be done with it in its cradle .
Most of the time , unless I plan to use it , the thing isn't even turned on , I'm not one of these people with a burning need to be contactable at all times , but the act of dropping it into the cradle does cause it to power up once it is in the cradle and the charging connection is made , so from that point onwards I can legally use it whilst driving .
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I think that the issue is that the percentage of time when drivers hold a mobile phone while not using it for absolutely any purpose is miniscule. The photo or footage taken by the police will clearly show how the phone was being used, and my guess is that if the driver indeed wasn't looking at the phone or holding it to their ear, then he or she would need to produce phone records etc to convince the prosecution (or a jury) that they were just holding the phone for no obvious reason. And so, for all practical purposes holding the phone is a no-no, regardless of the exact wording of the legislation.
Additionally, while there may not be a specific law against holding the phone while it's not being used, the driver should keep both hands on the steering wheel at all times and only remove one hand if required for operating the vehicle, and so a driver holding a mobile phone in one hand can still be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention (which is what drivers were being prosecuted for before the specific legislation for mobile phones was passed), though I'd agree that this is only likely to be the case in the event of a crash, while in normal circumstances the driver would either be fined for using a mobile phone, or be let off.
One wonders why anyone would need to look at a phone to check the time when there is a clock on the dashboard ?
My local Tesco has an access path between the rows of cars , so you can reverse in towards the path .
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Well , I did list the very practical purpose for which I might find myself with the phone in my hand , albeit only for a few seconds ; and I did qualify that to say it needed not to interfere with one's control of the car . It matters not how often or how seldom someone may happen to have a phone in their hand , the exception still exists , and as far as the law is concerned I could ( not that I would ) drive around with the thing in my hand all day long and no offence would be committed . Oh , unless something more had happened than simply being snapped by a camera , such a charge would be most unlikely to be brought in a solemn trial ( with a jury ) , being more akin to getting a speeding ticket , is would be far more likely to come up before a JP or magistrate in a summary proceeding , or indeed if not responded to , under the single justice procedure .
Lots of people take one hand off the wheel and remain competently in control ; indeed I knew a one-armed-man who had his driving licence and a very capable chap he was ; he was a grocer and the way he could handle boxes in and out of his Volvo estate had to be seen to be believed ; despite his physical handicap , he was an active member of our golf club and had a very low handicap ( pardon the pun ) .
While , if the circumstances demand it I do of course drive with both hands on the wheel , there can be times , when driving along a clear and straight road where one might have one hand on the wheel and the other not , perhaps with an arm on an arm rest , yet still be in full control . As long as your attention remains on the road , it is perfectly OK to take one hand away to adjust the radio volume or change channels , and of course , smokers often use one of their hands for something other than driving .
Phone records would not reveal whether the phone was being used for something other than telephony ( selecting a music track for example ) or for nothing at all , so that would be completely inconclusive , and if I were using a CB , PMR ( private mobile radio ) or amateur radio transciever , which can look very much like a carphone , then no offence would be committed ( with the usual proviso of being in control ) .
I have three or four of these Binatone sets , as well as two of the Audioline ones , amongst numerous other two way radios ; all of which are perfectly legal to use whilst driving .
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At my previous home , which was by the side of an A road , there were six fatal RTCs within a mile up and down the road , over the 20 year period I lived there ; three were cyclists , one very recent one was a pedestrian walking the unlit road with no footpath after dark , and the other two were multi vehicle crashes .
There were several injury incidents immediately outside my house , not counting the two separate incidents that wrote off our two cars a week apart , nor the three vehicles which went into our septic tank !
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Did his car have adaptations to be driven by a one arm person?
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When the specific legislation prohibiting use of mobile phones without a hands free kit at the wheel was passed, it was noted that the same should apply to two-way radios, however by that time use of two-way CB radios subsided and the view was that including these devices in the legislation would impact mostly the emergency services, and for this reason it is still not illegal to use a two-way radio while driving. I.e., it's not because it's deemed to be less dangerous, it's just that it wasn't included in the legislation for practical reasons.
It was almost 50 years ago ( 1970s ) but my recollection is that he had one of those knobs on the steering wheel l no idea what else though .
It was the older one series Volvo estate , the model that came after the Amazon .
The main reasoning I recall being given at the time was that any device using a PTT ( push to talk ) button would essentially be used for much more brief conversations , hence it wasn't thought necessary .
Although not so many people use CB now , there is still lots of PMR and amateur radio mobile equipment in use . As for emergency services , the current kit uses the Airwave network , and the in car options very much resemble an older mobile phone , except they are multi functional and besides being useable as mobile phones , they can also be use on encrypted two way radio channels with PTT ; they can also be taken out of the car kit and used as personal radios . This kit is due to be replaced in the near future with the new ESN ( Emergency Services Network ) system which will no longer rely on civilian cellular towers , and will have most of the areas of no coverage filled before it goes live , this has been promised for a number of years , but it is rumoured to be going live within the next year or so - according to our comms guys .
As for use of radios etc , at least as far as Police are concerned , due to legal differences , police cars in Scotland are normally dual crewed , so the passenger almost always handles comms ; in England Police cars are often single crewed , not sure what happens down there ; as for the others , ambulances are normally dual crewed , and in the Fire Service , appliances vary but you would normally have a crew of five , sometimes four on board , with either crew commander , watch commander or station commander in charge in the front passenger seat and handling comms ; I expect Fire and Ambulance in England are the same , so in most emergency vehicles it won't be the driver handling comms .
We do have on call officers who respond alone and just use handsfree kit the same as anyone else ( I used to do this , and still could , but these days am office , or home office based ) ; I would generally stop if the control room wanted me as I often would have to take notes , not possible on the move , besides not being a first responder I was never in that great a hurry .
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This is not my recollection. At the time (late nineties, I think), the introduction of legislation mandating the use of a hands-free kit when making a call while driving, was focused on the physical aspect, but also mentioned that only essential telephone calls should be made, and the calls should be kept brief. The legislation discouraged chatting on the phone while driving (even if this wasn't made a specific offence).