Mod my S65

[Lagerlout]

OK, what mods are out there to uprate my underpowered S65?

I have had a DMS retune which was good, but I'm now thinking Renntech or Kleeman..

Some ideas please? I want more than just a remap..

 

[ricky s]

OK, what mods are out there to uprate my underpowered S65?

I have had a DMS retune which was good, but I'm now thinking Renntech or Kleeman..

Some ideas please? I want more than just a remap..

Neil thanks for popping in today whilst brief, good to briefly chat. Think the other guys there today directed you to Ollie and Renntech, take cheque book and go directly there, renntech will deal with this 'underpowered' (Lol) beast of yours, its already a machine!

On a more personal note, could I ask if I should be investing in something we were discussing at the hotel before the last Vmax, I see there is an up coming oppoutunity coming up with the NGRC.

 

[Lagerlout]

Yes, that investment has since won and came third under AP. By all accounts Tuesday at Folkstowne (not confirmed) might be worth looking at.

So how do I contact this Ollie?

I was told today your car is more modified than the Lopes car.. You really are a devious little *******

 

[ricky s]

Yes, that investment has since won and came third under AP. By all accounts Tuesday at Folkstowne (not confirmed) might be worth looking at.

So how do I contact this Ollie?

I was told today your car is more modified than the Lopes car.. You really are a devious little *******

I don't know what you mean by that Neil!

Will send Email with contact details

 

[V12]

I'll have to judge for myself before I hand out any terrible advice. The keys and 30 minutes is all I need for a full assessment on the "lack of power"

 

[Alex]

Neil, if you can justify trip to Denmark - Kleemann's headquarters - it would probably be the best option. I did this last year with my ML55 and I wouldn't hesitate doing it again. The service, the knowledge, everything was top notch and done in a very time efficient manner. The car was in the shop for 2 days, I spent about 3 days there in total. There is a very nice overnight ferry from Harwich to Esbjerg, then about 3 hours drive and you're in Farum. While there, I've seen a W221 S65 being modded to about 760HP with a remap and water pump upgrade. I guess the guys at Kleemann can do more - perhaps bigger turbos - but you'd have to speak to them.

As an alternative, there is a company in the States called Speedriven (speedriven.com). I had an ECU and gearbox tune for my CL600 done by them. Both modules had to ship to the US to be reprogrammed. The gains are about 100HP but I understand you already have that. Their Stage 2 is a top mounted intercooler upgrade which with their remap will take the car to about 700-750HP. Speedriven also offers a 1000HP package that includes bigger turbos and gearbox revamp but this has to be carried in the US.

 

[lopes80]

OK, what mods are out there to uprate my underpowered S65?

I have had a DMS retune which was good, but I'm now thinking Renntech or Kleeman..

Some ideas please? I want more than just a remap..

Neil, Nice talking to you yesterday. As I said to you Renntech and Ollie would be the less hassle and would be my option.

Or you could buy my car and waste less money!

Ps just found the video of our little race , pm your email and I will send it to you.

 

[Koolvin]

Neil, Nice talking to you yesterday. As I said to you Renntech and Ollie would be the less hassle and would be my option.

Or you could buy my car and waste less money!

Ps just found the video of our little race , pm your email and I will send it to you.

send it to me also, lets share it on the internet!

 

[SavMan]

I would start with cooling with bigger intercooler and upgrade pumps, also think about the gearbox cooling as I have heard they suffer from this to. You can get kits from any of the big tuners or have one custom built (I think you will need a custom me for the gearbox)

Also take a look at Supersprint exhausts, if you can dump the front cats and you will free up power and lower temps.

A Renntech carbon intake, they are probably the best on the market.

Then a map or take it back to DMS for a dyno tune

You should be good for >720hp and >950 lb ft Torque from this lot

 

[Lagerlout]

Can't see what these Renntech intakes do? They look identical in size and design to the Mercedes unit? Not into flashy carbon tech for little reward?

Don't think I'm going to go Renntech, there is hardly any difference between their figures and a remap from DMS. I appreciate the tech in there but it's not going to help me in a run down a strip is it, only for repeated hard running. I mean 30 bhp for $20,000 doesn't sound very good value to me.

I've been looking at Speedriven.. Anyone got any experience? I've emailed them, waiting for something back.

 

[Dieselman]

Can't see what these Renntech intakes do? They look identical in size and design to the Mercedes unit? Not into flashy carbon tech for little reward?

I find it bizarre that people will spend hundreds, or even thousands on so called performance mods and not spend £5 on a stopwatch.

Not one of the modders has yet posted times up pre and post a mod.

 

[Howard]

SavMan's is on his info board on the side ?

3.4 secs to 60 is quite an improvement over a standard E55's ?

 

[Lagerlout]

I find it bizarre that people will spend hundreds, or even thousands on so called performance mods and not spend £5 on a stopwatch.

Not one of the modders has yet posted times up pre and post a mod.

Hi m8, to be fair these guys cars are waaay faster down Bruntingthorpe than a stock E55 for example. These are properly laser verified timing guns, and lopes has run 191. I could barely make 181 in my beast. I am however pretty overweight (and my car is too) by comparison.

I tune a few of my other cars and I don't see the value in some of these mods for the intended purpose. Ricky and others track their cars so certain mods are required for repeatable performance.

One thing I won't do is invest a huge bag of cash in cosmetic mods that add nothing which it appears a lot of tuners offer. The problem with the S65 is that there is no space to do anything without removing the engine which I think kind of limits most of the tuners out there who are more plug and play so to speak.

I may just get my car reflashed again and live with that. Underpowered of course but liveable..

 

[SavMan]

I would still go in that order, big intercooler/heat exchanger, exhaust and then a dyno tune with DMS. Dyno numbers are only part of the story, the hard part is maintaining the power when temps start rising.

As for Speedriven sorry never used them myself so can only go by forum chatter which is mostly good.

Have a look at Vath, I have been discussing a few ideas I have had for my car and they have impressed me with there knowledge and responsiveness. They may however make Renntech look cheap based on some of the initial prices I have been quoted.

VÄTH - Give Your Car Wings -*Homepage

 

[Dieselman]

SavMan's is on his info board on the side ?

3.4 secs to 60 is quite an improvement over a standard E55's ?

I meant give us some times when each mod is done.

It's great saying get this part or that part, but if they don't make any difference a carbon intake is a waste of money.


What is the standard time for an E55k Estate on the road, road tyres and standard fuel? Checked. 4.4s, 1/4 mile 12.6s Still how much is down to tyres and fuel? Of the 1.2s gained in 1/4 mile 1 sec of that is 0-60, which is most likely initial traction, otherwise the gap would keep building as the greater power came on stream.

What is the trap speed, please Sav? Standard is 113mph.

Which mods are actually working, which just look good?

EDIT:

I've just checked Acid's run, and at 11.1s and 126mph, that's pretty quick.

 

[SavMan]

I meant give us some times when each mod is done.

It's great saying get this part or that part, but if they don't make any difference a carbon intake is a waste of money.


What is the standard time for an E55k on the road, road tyres and standard fuel? Checked. 4.4s, 1/4 mile 12.6s Still how much is down to tyres and fuel?

Which mods are actually working, which just look good?

I am sure many would love to but its difficult to do in practice, due to time restraints as well as the shear cost of it.

In Feb this year the fastest I could manage my standard E55 on a 1/4 mile was 13.1 secs with a terminal speed of 110 mph.

Since then I have reduced my 1/4 mile by 1.7 secs and increased my trap speed by 12 mph.

To give you an idea since June this year at Santa Pod I have reduced my 1/4 time by more than 1 second and increased my trap speed by 8 mph, this cost me >£££££k and I did it in two jumps.

1. Exhaust, Intake & Cooling
2. Smaller Supercharger Clutch/Pulley and Belt Wrap Kit

Now step one resulted in 0.8 secs and step two 0.4 secs but in terms of terminal speed step one was 3 mph and step two 5 mph.
Now the issue for me is whether in step one it was the Exhaust, Intake or Cooling which had the most impact and if my Belt Wrap Kit in step two is just an expensive piece of engine decoration

However having it fitted at the same time as the SC Pulley made financial sense as it was one journey and less labour as well as one dyno session (these can take 3 hours and cost up to £ 800 per session).

So actually DM what you say is correct and makes perfect sense, it is however sometimes not possibly or practical.

 

[Dieselman]

Thanks for that.

What's a belt wrap kit?

It would be interesting to find a piece of suitable piece of tarmac and keep a log of times in both directions before and after any mod just to see.

Spending £500 on something that doesn't give a faster time is a heck of a waste. Even spending £50 on that is a waste.

 

[SavMan]

Thanks for that.

What's a belt wrap kit?

It would be interesting to find a piece of suitable piece of tarmac and keep a log of times in both directions before and after any mod just to see.

Spending £500 on something that doesn't give a faster time is a heck of a waste. Even spending £50 on that is a waste.

It would cost me £50 in fuel just to test it

This is my belt wrap kit (bolted between the two pulleys, the pulley on the right is also part of the kit), it is designed to stop belt slip and so maintain boost in the supercharger.

 

[rk100]

Hi all , hope u don't mind me jumping in here and asking a question!

I have an 04 CL65 and was considering the DMS remap. I seen from the tread that one of you guys has had it done on a S65. Did the remap affect the turbos or anything adversely ? I posed a tread a while back and someone said that a guy on here had it done and it caused problems with the turbos etc. Any help appreciated.

Also is the remap really noticeable in comparison to a stock CL65 .....is it worth the money!

Thanks

 

[miloc204]

i think kleemann is the best way for s65