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GreetMe said:
All you needed to ask was if the engine number ended in 60658 or higher lol
As you've realised though the facelift would be a better choice
All you needed to ask was if the engine number ended in 60658 or higher lol
As you've realised though the facelift would be a better choice
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You're a star. Thank you very much. I'll keep you posted.
The power hike and improved brakes on the PPP cars are nice perks but, after my E55 experience, the LSD is the most important thing this time around. An alternative to getting PPP would be to buy a standard car and then get the diff fitted at somewhere like MSL.
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I'm glad you mentioned that: from what I've just read on here it looks like the LSD wasn't standard on the facelift PPPs either. According to the salesman the one I drove yesterday had an LSD (as well as the PPP) and it certainly felt that way so it must have been added as an option.
That might actually make things easier for me: I can buy a standard facelift C63, get an LSD fitted (IIRC they're about £1500 from MSL) and then worry about the brakes and other bits and pieces later if need be.
I wouldn't bother with PPP, especially if you have a limited budget.
You can easily remap the standard car and it's nice to have better brakes but you certainly pay for them when the time comes to replace them. For normal road use, brakes on the standard car is perfectly fine and won't break the bank when they need replacing.
I specifically avoided PPP models for this exact reason.
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Now that I've decided to go for FL I've increased the budget a bit but it will certainly give me more choice if I go for a non-PPP car.
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If you wait a while there should no doubt be a group buy for a Quaife diff at some point
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Forget the PM, mate. I've just been reading reviews of the trader.I've sent you a PM, although I think my memory and geography might be a bit off.
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I've sent you a PM, although I think my memory and geography might be a bit off.
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Personally I think the PPP will hold their value much better. But maybe I would say at!!
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Yup, the standard brakes are fantastic, unlike the BMWs. An LSD is first on the list for both.
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That's the new plan.
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Define better
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Nobody 'needs' a PPP. In the same way nobody needs the C63S over the standard C63. But they buy it because it's genuine and has the boxes ticked.
If by better you mean cheaper then yeah, it is. But it'll be one of a million other mapped standard cars. The PPP will still be worth more at resale and that's where the PPP is better.
The standard car with a map and LSD will perform in the same way a PPP does (unless you are looking at the very fine details). And, of course you can paint the calipers red and add the carbon lip. But it's still a standard car when you want to move it on.
Buy the car you want OP. They are all good. Standard, ppp, 507 etc......Those who couldn't stretch to a good PPP will always say the standard car is just as good once you've spent a few £k on mods. My argument is the £2k+ could have gone on the PPP in the first place.
Why is it 507 owners say the 507 is better than the PPP? Because they could afford it. Fact is, it's a slightly different to look at PPP. Nothing more. Good thing with the 507 is, at resale it's worth £8k+ over the PPP even if you've vented the bonnet and changed the wheels. PPP is still a PPP.
Just my 2p.
If by better you mean cheaper then yeah, it is. But it'll be one of a million other mapped standard cars. The PPP will still be worth more at resale and that's where the PPP is better.
The standard car with a map and LSD will perform in the same way a PPP does (unless you are looking at the very fine details). And, of course you can paint the calipers red and add the carbon lip. But it's still a standard car when you want to move it on.
Buy the car you want OP. They are all good. Standard, ppp, 507 etc......Those who couldn't stretch to a good PPP will always say the standard car is just as good once you've spent a few £k on mods. My argument is the £2k+ could have gone on the PPP in the first place.
Why is it 507 owners say the 507 is better than the PPP? Because they could afford it. Fact is, it's a slightly different to look at PPP. Nothing more. Good thing with the 507 is, at resale it's worth £8k+ over the PPP even if you've vented the bonnet and changed the wheels. PPP is still a PPP.
Just my 2p.
Very fine details like the PPP not coming with LSD as standard?
The LSD was an option on both standard and PPP cars therefore a standard car with a map and LSD will have more power and be able to put the power down better than a PPP with no map and no LSD AND you'll still be quids in
If you're worried about residuals and selling on, you could take the aftermarket parts off to punt on the forum and sell the car as standard.
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Very fine details like the PPP not coming with LSD as standard?
The LSD was an option on both standard and PPP cars therefore a standard car with a map and LSD will have more power and be able to put the power down better than a PPP with no map and no LSD AND you'll still be quids in
If you're worried about residuals and selling on, you could take the aftermarket parts off to punt on the forum and sell the car as standard.
A d people don't map PPP cars?
My argument wasn't to tell you the PPP is better. The point is, you can try to justify a purchase any way you like. Those who can't stretch to a PPP or 507 will always justify the standard car on the basis that the better car is the cheaper one. Money saved etc.
I justified my PPP purchases on the basis that it was rarer, had the bits from factory and would be worth something over the millions of poverty spec lease cars that appeared.
I fitted the £1500 quaife to my first PPP C63. Did I notice any great difference? No. I'm not Lewis Hamilton. Will you notice the difference or be able to drive any better as a result of the diff going into your standard car? I'd suggest it's hugely improbable. Placebo is very strong here. If it's not placebo then figures will be a justifying addition to your argument. I've got plenty.
As I said, the op should buy what he wants.
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I thought i just did, better in term of power and comfort of driving, with all those mods.
I own my car outright and do not care about residuals, i am happy with my C63 and dont owm other cars then come back to MB related forums to keep giving opinions about C63 PPP version v standard and slating of owners of C63 as a certain kind.
