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Refilling D I Vessel

tommytucker

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I need to refill my 14 Ltr D I vessel. I have got a 25ltr bag so is there a way of storing the unused, also how do I dispose of the old stuff? Any comments appreciated.
Thanks, Tom.
 
What are you on about Tommy ? I do not have a clue what you are asking, which obviously makes me the last person you want to talk to. but I am just curious, I might learn something . Cheers :thumb:
 
What are you on about Tommy ? I do not have a clue what you are asking, which obviously makes me the last person you want to talk to. but I am just curious, I might learn something . Cheers :thumb:

He is referring to refilling of the DI Vessel (the water filter used for washing cars basically) which filters your household water using a resin which the vessel contains.
It is recommended you change the resin every 100 or so washes IIRC.
 
Still non the wiser. Resin ? WTF is this ? Jurassic park ? What's wrong with using an RO filter ? HEPA if you must. Ceramic or C/CA ? Or Biosand if you are some kind of a Hippy.

You guys are making this sh*t up. :banana:
 
De-Ionisation is a water purification method (resin is the DI medium). It's normally a post-stage to reverse-osmosis. People in hard water areas use water purification to get cleaner, more mineral free water to drink, or wash their cars with, so that they don't get water marks on the car, etc.
 
Still non the wiser. Resin ? WTF is this ? Jurassic park ? What's wrong with using an RO filter ? HEPA if you must. Ceramic or C/CA ? Or Biosand if you are some kind of a Hippy.

You guys are making this sh*t up. :banana:
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De-Ionisation is a water purification method (resin is the DI medium). It's normally a post-stage to reverse-osmosis. People in hard water areas use water purification to get cleaner, more mineral free water to drink, or wash their cars with, so that they don't get water marks on the car, etc.
Aah I did not know resin was used in the de-ionisation process. Thanks for that.I live in one of the hardest water areas in the UK, that's one of the reasons I won't go near it. Scares the crap out of me.

Proper hard-core.
 
A 5 or 6 stage reverse osmosis unit, ending with DI will give you zero ppm tds (pure), water for drinking, filling kettle with and washing car etc. Will set you back a couple hundred quid depending on your water pressure.

Luckily Manchester is one of the purest areas in the UK, my water is around 50ppm, yours will be 10x that if not more. Either means I can do without purification altogether, or that my filters/membranes/resin last a very very long time.
 
A 5 or 6 stage reverse osmosis unit, ending with DI will give you zero ppm tds (pure), water for drinking, filling kettle with and washing car etc. Will set you back a couple hundred quid depending on your water pressure.

Luckily Manchester is one of the purest areas in the UK, my water is around 50ppm, yours will be 10x that if not more. Either means I can do without purification altogether, or that my filters/membranes/resin last a very very long time.

It should be noted that routine consumption of demineralised water is not healthy and additionally can leach contaminants fro the distribution pipework.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutrientschap12.pdf
 
The distribution pipework is 1/4 inert plastic tubing. You don't put purified water back through copper.
 
I bought the resin from ebay and I managed to have a chat with the seller today so if anyone should wonder in the future how it should be stored, this is what he suggested. Remove as much air as possible from the remainder in the bag and cable tie the bag, then store in an airtight container and keep out of sunlight and so
I'll try that. Thanks to all who replied and Petrol Pete, your comments cracked me up lol.
 
I wish my resin lasted for 100 washes. The PPM out the tap is around 305PPM, but the resin gets it down to zero, but after about 6 washes it goes to above 50PPM and the car starts water spotting again. What am I doing wrong? This is getting expensive
 
Mine out of the tap is about 330ppm, are you only using the vessel for rinsing because 6 washes isn't much at all, mine seems to last for much longer?
 
Indeed. Rinse with the vessel only. It’s an 11L vessel. I’ve tried two different resins and the longevity is the same. I do depressurise the vessel after use and it lives outside in a timber cover-not sure if that makes a difference
 
I wish my resin lasted for 100 washes. The PPM out the tap is around 305PPM, but the resin gets it down to zero, but after about 6 washes it goes to above 50PPM and the car starts water spotting again.
FWIW, my TDS-3 shows my tap water to be between 350ppm and 380ppm. I too use an 11-litre vessel and find that I have to change the Tulsion MB-115 after every 6 or 7 washes. I really ought to do some research and find out what to use in the way of a pre-filter...
 
I wish my resin lasted for 100 washes. The PPM out the tap is around 305PPM, but the resin gets it down to zero, but after about 6 washes it goes to above 50PPM and the car starts water spotting again. What am I doing wrong? This is getting expensive

You're burdening the resin too much, put pre-prefilter stages in place to lighten the load on the resin.

A 5 micron pre-filter, then a carbon block will reduce the load on the resin somewhat. A reverse osmosis stage will get the water to near zero by itself, but they're pretty expensive.

Do you use the water directly, or store it in a water vessel? If you use it directly, RO is ruled out as the throughput even with a pressure boosting pump is tiny and needs to be collected.
 
You're burdening the resin too much, put pre-prefilter stages in place to lighten the load on the resin.

A 5 micron pre-filter, then a carbon block will reduce the load on the resin somewhat. A reverse osmosis stage will get the water to near zero by itself, but they're pretty expensive.
I had a chat with the very helpful guy at Daqua (where I get my Tulsion resin from) this morning and his view was that the only realistic way to improve the life of the resin in the DI vessel was to use a Reverse Osmosis (RO) stage beforehand. However, just as you say, that would need a tank system. He did say that he has lots of enquiries from people who use DI vessels for car washing purposes wanting to improve the life of the resin and he's been looking at creating a RO / tank / pump package for that market, so worth keeping an eye out to see if he does come up with anything.

I stand to be corrected, but I don't see how a 5 micron pre-filter and a carbon block would improve matters as the problem is minerals that are dissolved in the water, rather than particulates / sediment that would be taken out by a filter?
 
Yeah, ideally an RO membrane would be in the way, and the sedimentary pre-filter and carbon block precedes that, but as discussed, RO is too slow and requires a tank. A carbon block and pre-filter are both very cheap and with nothing preceding the resin, it can clog rather than be spent, and people's TDS meters rise and they ditch the resin, and the cheap pre-filters will help avoid that. You can tell if this is the case, as if you get a bucket of cleaned water, and swill the resin in it vigorously, if you get extra life out of it that way, you know it was clogging.

Colour changing resin is a thing too if you've not used it before.

If you've room for it though, get a 200L blue barrel with a float valve on it, and any cheap 50GPD RO unit will then suffice. I used to have this set up with a 6 stage and used between 200 and 300L per week from the tank, it'd just replenish whenever you used it. Admittedly in Manc the water is very pure only around 50ppm, but I didn't have to change the filters or membrane in over 2 years. Only changed the DI resin once, but it was only a small vessel, and I was strict about having 0 ppm at all times.
 
Luckily Manchester is one of the purest areas in the UK, my water is around 50ppm, yours will be 10x that if not more. Either means I can do without purification altogether, or that my filters/membranes/resin last a very very long time.

Where can I check what Northampton is like? I use a Brita kettle which seems to stop it scaling up..
 
I don't use a website or anything. We're talking about having checked our own supplies with a TDS meter.
 
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